Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Hawk XX154 To Be Preserved

Collapse
X
Collapse
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • Wyvernfan
    wyvernfan@gmail.com
    • Oct 2007
    • 5903

    Hawk XX154 To Be Preserved

    To the Boscombe Down Aviation Collection at Old Sarum

    https://www.salisburyjournal.co.uk/n...on-collection/
    Facebook page
    https://www.facebook.com/Westland.Wy...tif_t=page_fan
  • Lynx815
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Jun 2008
    • 147

    #2
    What the article doesnt say is that this is the Hawk prototype/1st production aircraft.

    Comment

    • KurtB
      Rank 4 Registered User
      • Feb 2018
      • 186

      #3
      Actually Pre Production. But yes its a significant airframe (despite, like all T1s, having undergone Triggers broom updates).

      Comment

      • Wyvernfan
        wyvernfan@gmail.com
        • Oct 2007
        • 5903

        #4
        Indeed it is, but as its the first its good to see it being preserved!
        Facebook page
        https://www.facebook.com/Westland.Wy...tif_t=page_fan

        Comment

        • Seafuryfan
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Jan 2000
          • 2497

          #5
          Great news, well done to BDAC. Yes, I wonder if 154 was re-winged and re-fuselaged?

          Comment

          • Sabrejet
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Mar 2010
            • 1764

            #6
            'Iconic' is fully justified here: I hope they return her to the original scheme. Subject of an early Matchbox 1/72 plastic kit too. Great news.

            Comment

            • bazv
              olde rigger
              • Feb 2005
              • 5884

              #7
              Originally posted by KurtB View Post
              Actually Pre Production. But yes its a significant airframe (despite, like all T1s, having undergone Triggers broom updates).
              Kurt - XX154 did not have any of the Mod999/Mod2010 updates,so she still has her original wing and fuselage (complete) and still has an original pre mod Tailplane (although not necessarily her original Tailplane as the Tailplanes used to get swopped around the Boscombe fleet as required to keep them flying).There are some fairly significant differences structurally (in both Fuselage and Mainplane) between 154 and the Production Hawk T1's so I think 'Prototype' is probably a more accurate discription,but I agree the 'official' designation was 'pre production'.

              rgds baz

              Comment

              • Orion
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Jun 2009
                • 707

                #8
                Will it be stored inside or out?
                David Mylchreest
                Steam and Model Railway videos http://www.youtube.com/user/PenrithBeacon
                Aviation videos http://www.youtube.com/user/austerfive

                Comment

                • Steve Bond
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Jan 2000
                  • 1815

                  #9
                  Here it is visiting Valley in 1983 Click image for larger version

Name:	XX154 1 Hawk T.1 RAE Llanbedr, Valley 11 Feb 83 [SB].jpg
Views:	1087
Size:	562.7 KB
ID:	3871504

                  Comment

                  • Oxcart
                    Rank 5 Registered User
                    • Nov 2007
                    • 2100

                    #10
                    Always thought it was a handsome beast. Wonder if they'll ever be private ones flying one day.
                    Give a man a fish and eat for a day. Give a man a fishing rod and he'll eat for a lifetime. Give a man religion and he'll die praying for a fish!

                    Comment

                    • KurtB
                      Rank 4 Registered User
                      • Feb 2018
                      • 186

                      #11
                      I dont think thered be much doubt oxcart.

                      And Bazv, thank you for the insight. Those post mod tailplanes weighed loads more than the pre mod version. Loved working on (and flying in) the Hawk.
                      Last edited by KurtB; 22nd August 2019, 06:47.

                      Comment

                      • bazv
                        olde rigger
                        • Feb 2005
                        • 5884

                        #12
                        Originally posted by KurtB View Post
                        I dont think thered be much doubt oxcart.

                        And Bazv, thank you for the insight. Those post mod tailplanes weighed loads more than the pre mod version. Loved working on (and flying in) the Hawk.
                        Yes Kurt - the post mod 1310 ? 1320? Tailplanes (I am not very good at remembering mod numbers LOL) were very much beefed up,as was the design of the post mod 999 wing,the low mod standard of the ETPS Hawks gave us loads of extra visual/RVA inspections (RVA = remote visual aids.AKA 'Shuftiscopes') in the wings,T/P's and fuselages.154 was always more demanding/interesting during routine/planned maintenance due to the many build standard 'differencies' and scheduled servicing on 154 often took much longer than on standard Hawks,although we did gradually update the A/C over the years whenever possible.Even the Flaps were original and they were of some 'interim' mod standard which made some servicing inspections interesting.
                        Fleets often have anomalies - the 2 RAFCAM/AvMedFlight Hawks still have their original (pre mod 2010) Fuselages but have Mod999 Wings and also post mod T/P's.

                        Comment

                        • Wyvernfan
                          wyvernfan@gmail.com
                          • Oct 2007
                          • 5903

                          #13
                          If ever someone needs a Hawk expert Baz, youre the man
                          Facebook page
                          https://www.facebook.com/Westland.Wy...tif_t=page_fan

                          Comment

                          • aeronut 2008
                            Rank 5 Registered User
                            • Jan 2008
                            • 1568

                            #14
                            Originally posted by bazv View Post

                            Yes Kurt - the post mod 1310 ? 1320? Tailplanes (I am not very good at remembering mod numbers LOL) were very much beefed up,as was the design of the post mod 999 wing,the low mod standard of the ETPS Hawks gave us loads of extra visual/RVA inspections (RVA = remote visual aids.AKA 'Shuftiscopes') in the wings,T/P's and fuselages.154 was always more demanding/interesting during routine/planned maintenance due to the many build standard 'differencies' and scheduled servicing on 154 often took much longer than on standard Hawks,although we did gradually update the A/C over the years whenever possible.Even the Flaps were original and they were of some 'interim' mod standard which made some servicing inspections interesting.
                            Fleets often have anomalies - the 2 RAFCAM/AvMedFlight Hawks still have their original (pre mod 2010) Fuselages but have Mod999 Wings and also post mod T/P's.
                            For some reason as I read that I started to hum the Johnny Cash song, one piece at a time

                            Comment

                            • Flanker_man
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • Jan 2000
                              • 3680

                              #15
                              This post over on Brtimodeller has a photo in ETPS Black ...........

                              https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/...ae-hawk-xx154/

                              Ken

                              Flanker Freak & Russian Aviation Enthusiast.
                              Flankers (& others) website at :-
                              http://flankers.co.uk/

                              Comment

                              • Sabrejet
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • Mar 2010
                                • 1764

                                #16
                                So did it arrive?

                                EDIT: after following the link I see it did!

                                Comment

                                • Seafuryfan
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Jan 2000
                                  • 2497

                                  #17
                                  I think it would be best to leave the aircraft exactly as she is. The present mod state, combined with Bazs expert knowledge, tells its own story. In my opinion, the most historic British aircraft of modern times (apart from perhaps Bravo November).

                                  Comment

                                  • bazv
                                    olde rigger
                                    • Feb 2005
                                    • 5884

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Wyvernfan View Post
                                    If ever someone needs a Hawk expert Baz, youre the man
                                    Why thank you young man
                                    I started on them when they were brand spanking new in the weapons training role at Brawdy,I had previously been working on Canberra B2's + T4's so the Hawks seemed like ultra modern little dinky toys,the diddy little mainwheels were certainly much easier to lift than Canberra wheels.When I was promoted to 'Mr' I worked on most Hawks up to Mk65,in 2010 I even did a Hawk T2 course to facilitate some trials work - some interesting and some very dull LOL.In the meantime I had tried to escape to other A/C types on our eclectic fleet but never managed more than a couple of months before being magnetted back to 'Awks,although they were lovely little jets - working on any one type for long periods can get tedious.

                                    I certainly would not count myself as an 'expert' - I never worked on the main training fleet and I did work on quite a few other types over the years so mine was not continuous Hawk experience.

                                    Comment

                                    • bazv
                                      olde rigger
                                      • Feb 2005
                                      • 5884

                                      #19
                                      Sorry for not returning to this thread earlier - we have been a little busy lately LOL
                                      For anybody visiting the Boscombe Down Aviation Collection and planning to look round 154 - here is a list of some of the fairly easy to see 'differences' between 154 and the production standard Hawks (so any airframe after XX163),there are many more variations/differences but I now live 430 miles north of there so not so easy to visit and remind myself.

                                      If you look closely at the Wing leading edges at the correct angle and lighting - you can see the slight 'indentation' of where the various Wing Fence and Stall Warning strips (toblerones) were trial fitted for flight testing,including the original Inboard mounted Wing Fences and the Triple Wing Fences as used on the export/combat wing for the Mk60 series onwards.

                                      The Wing lower rear skins (ie just in front of the Flaps) are 'loose' and can 'Float' up and down a fair amount,production aircraft had rigidly mounted skins.

                                      Under the port and stbd wingtips there are small Lozenge shaped panels with holes in the centre,these were used to mount small explosive charges ('Bonkers') for use during Flutter Testing.

                                      The Landing Gear 'D' doors were dissimilar in that one side had an original and very weak looking 'D' Door - whereas the other side was a production standard Door.

                                      Under the Fuselage 'Spine' Panels - the upper centre fuselage/Bag Tank Bay Roof just forward of the GTS Bay (Gas Turbine Starter Bay) had a very different structure/looked totally different to prod Hawks.

                                      The Landing Light was originally a 'Sealed Beam Unit' (like me - not very bright ) which was eventually replaced by a Halogen unit,154 was probably used for the 'Trial Installation' of the new light and it was totally different to any other Hawk AFAIK,the mounting was 90 deg 'out' and the damn thing used to 'Blow' with monotonous regularity (much more often than our other A/C).

                                      No External 'Pull Down' Step for cockpit entry (had never been fitted),so the younger/fitter groundcrew would jump up on to the wing to gain access to the cockpits,older guys would have to use steps LOL.

                                      Up in the 'Hell Hole' (Panel 121c) and mounted on the rear of Frame 11 one of the 3 control levers (rudder I believe) was shorter than standard and would not line up with the rigging fixture - so one had to 'eyeball' the rigging hole line up during rigging checks.

                                      The Flaps were original and of course originally had the full span 'Flap Vane' - later in the flight test programme the Flap Vane was shortened by removing one section of the vane,from memory both Flaps had external skin plates/doublers and looked quite different to the other A/C Flaps,they had ended up as some Interim Modification Standard which was just acceptable to pass later visual inspections/mod standard audits.

                                      Edit - Also the internal structure was never finished (painted) to production standards,so for example when we were working in the Engine Bay - no matter how much cleaning/painting we did - the bay always looked tatty.
                                      Last edited by bazv; 2nd September 2019, 08:33.

                                      Comment

                                      • scotavia
                                        scotavia
                                        • Nov 2005
                                        • 2833

                                        #20
                                        This thread is a great example of why this forum will be so useful for historians. When the RAF museum first placed airframes on display they had little interest in showing the history of a particular aircraft , choosing a generic description of the type on a placard. Thanks to publications like British Museum Aircraft and then the on line RAF museum descriptions we are better served. But getting info about recent museum aircraft is important because we now see contributions from people who actually worked on them..priceless.

                                        Comment

                                        Unconfigured Ad Widget

                                        Collapse

                                         

                                        Working...
                                        X