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By: 10th August 2019 at 07:10 Permalink
-I was told the other day there was 2 harriers on the register both to be based out of st athan.
By: 10th August 2019 at 08:52 Permalink
-That's the two! Was told they could be on the display circuit next year!
By: 10th August 2019 at 10:45 Permalink
-The Sea Harrier F/A2 is ex-ZH803, and the T.8 is ex-ZD990.
I'll still be gobsmacked if they ever fly in the UK though in this post-Shoreham era, despite Art Nalls proving it can be done in the USA for a good number of years.
By: 10th August 2019 at 13:20 Permalink
-Try some logic...jets fly and display in the UK and recently Harriers at Yeovilton and Fairford. They operate and display according to pre checked regulations . The locations are approved and defined areas assigned for the display. Some jets are flown by civvy pilots on MOD contracts, eg Hawks,Hunters ,Dassault Falcons. Why therefore can you isolate one type which is currently in service ?
By: 10th August 2019 at 14:34 Permalink
-I am going to make a simple suggestion, yes so simple that it should already be a forum sticky.....If the owners of the aircraft register an aircraft with the UK CAA with intent to fly then they will have already established that the route to flying is already open provided that they follow the agreed process. When I made the first post I said " Now dont shoot the messenger with all the comments about them never flying here in the UK. Consider that the deciding factors enabling UK flight are with the CAA." I suggest that making comments here amounts to speculation and of course that does not happen on this forum.
By: 10th August 2019 at 17:58 Permalink
-I can tell you all that this project has not been an overnight decision. It has been years. If you look at all media sites there are numerous comments about wanting to see Harriers fly in the UK so instead of the negative comments from armchair experts maybe we should be wishing all the best and hope to see a Harrier that is owned and operated in the UK flying soon.
All the armchair experts said that the Vulcan would not fly.
By: 10th August 2019 at 19:23 Permalink - Edited 10th August 2019 at 19:25
-I am going to make a simple suggestion, yes so simple that it should already be a forum sticky.....If the owners of the aircraft register an aircraft with the UK CAA with intent to fly then they will have already established that the route to flying is already open provided that they follow the agreed process.
If you bother to check back through the annuls of G-reg history you'll find plenty of 'complex' types that were registered with a G-**** by their UK owners, but never got air under their wings in UK skies, for example Lightnings G-LTNG, G-PIOB, G-BPFE.
And that agreed process involves OEM/DA support.
By: 10th August 2019 at 19:35 Permalink
-You do not need OEM/DA approval with a Part 21 Approval
By: 11th August 2019 at 19:10 Permalink - Edited 11th August 2019 at 19:13
-You do not need OEM/DA approval with a Part 21 Approval
Priceless indeed!
A Part 21 subpart G Manufacturing Organisation must have an arrangement with a Design Organisation, EU Regulation 748/2012, 21.A.133(b) and (c) refers.
Plus the Harrier is a "Non EASA" aircraft
By: 11th August 2019 at 20:53 Permalink
-Sorry, what does all this mean to a layman? I'm lost
By: 11th August 2019 at 21:42 Permalink
-Ex Brat...
Me too!
Perhaps we should drag our armchairs together!
By: 12th August 2019 at 09:15 Permalink
-I have read elsewhere that the aircraft will only be displaying using standard flying and not hovering or other manoeuvres involving rotation of it's nozzles.
By: 12th August 2019 at 09:58 Permalink
-Harriers,hover and distilled water, assorted info and tales from air and ground crew....https://www.pprune.org/archive/index.php/t-587653.html
By: 12th August 2019 at 10:19 Permalink
-Some years ago, I was vociferous in my commenting that another aircraft would never gain permission to fly from the CAA - and I was wrong. I refer of course to the Vulcan. So I take the view of never say never. The Harrier, although defined as complex, isn't especially so; with the exception of the engine controls.
This said, I did contact Rolls Royce on behalf of a customer about 15 years ago, to see if it might be possible. My request went all the way to the board, and was turned down flat. At the time, that was that - but things change, and ways can be found. It is also true that one can register anything in the UK with great ease. It could be said to be a statement of intent rather than anything else.
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By: scotavia - 10th August 2019 at 00:21 - Edited 11th August 2019 at 02:13
A single and twin seat Sea Harrier have been registered on the G reg. A source on UKAR says the owners are the same as the North Weald Gnats. Now dont shoot the messenger with all the comments about them never flying here in the UK. Consider that the deciding factors enabling UK flight are with the CAA. Several surprising projects are in progress and I believe that more are to come if the engineering support is available.