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By: - 7th June 2019 at 14:06 Permalink
Not infrequently, and particularly in the case of bodies such as the National Archives, there is a belief that possession and copyright are one and the same. They are not. I'd like to put this belief down to ignorance of the law but I suspect that it's more to do with commercial exploitation of assets in their possession - which they justify by saying that copyright of the work in question is vested in them - and, I suspect, they would be less than forthcoming if asked to justify, by reference to the law, their claim to be the copyright owner. My practical suggestion to you, aircraftclocks, would be to telephone the British Library and ask to speak to someone who is the organ grinder rather than the monkey. I might then ask if I can have an appointment to view the document and say that I'd like to bring a camera with me. If you can get agreement to that, then just photograph the catalogue - and tell them not to worry because you, and not they, are 'breaching' copyright thereby!
By: - 7th June 2019 at 15:58 Permalink
I dealt with them over the telephone last year and found them very helpful, ended up with what I was after....
By: - 7th June 2019 at 18:38 Permalink
Surely an encrypted pdf is just a pdf with a password - that they will give you? All you need is Adobe's Acrobat reader (or any other freely available pdf reader - one of which you probably already have) and it will prompt you for the password when you try to open it. Seems way easier than having them copy it again?
By: - 8th June 2019 at 05:48 Permalink
Thank you for all your helpful suggestions.
While there is a direct flight to London from where I live, Google advises me I live 14470km from the British library.
While I understand what they are trying to achieve, protect a copyright holders IP, they could have provided a more detailed explanation.
The catalogue is 70+ years old and the company that produced it is long gone.
Looks like I will be calling the home country soon.
By: - 8th June 2019 at 12:44 Permalink
I think that I can understand your difficulty ......! :highly_amused:
By: - 8th June 2019 at 14:11 Permalink
Ex Brat...Does the National Library permit 100% photography of documents*? For comparison the National Archives at Kew permit 100% photography of documents (which sometimes include photos, in my experience)...the Imperial War Museum permit it for a daily fee of £10 which excludes photos. * Is there a difference in copyright law between a document like a parts list (never commercially available to the public) and books/magazines?
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By: aircraftclocks - 7th June 2019 at 12:41
I recently found that the British library had a catalogue of a manufacturer who was an aircraft parts supplier from the 1950's.
I submitted a copy request to be send to me my mail, as the other available option, encrypted PDF, requires software I do not have.
I agreed to pay the fee which was made up of the copying fee and a copyright fee in about 50/50 in proportion.
Got various emails, order received, order being processed etc.
I then get an email:
Sorry, we are unable to fulfil your order because of copyright restrictions. You can check for alternative delivery options on our website.
Are they saying, copyright materials will only be sent in encrypted PDF form?
Anyone with any experience in area?