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  • RAFRochford
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    • Feb 2006
    • 906

    Slow news day at the Beeb?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-48413109

    Probably a photo of the wrong Spit in question, and I do wish journalists would desist from using the word "stunt".

    Edit. The Beeb just changed the header picture. It was Carolyn Grace's Spit previously.

    Steve
    Last edited by RAFRochford; 26th May 2019, 13:40.
  • windhover
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Jan 2014
    • 319

    #2
    It's a word association thing. Journalists are drawn to similar-sounding words like "Stunt"... which quite effectively describes most BBC journalists, these days
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    • R4118
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Aug 2015
      • 399

      #3
      Ultimate warbird experience the owners of the spitfire in the image have just said on Facebook that it wasnt their spitfire involved and the BBC's article has knocked their great reputation!

      Not sure which spit was involved but I would put money on it being nowhere near as bad as it's been made out to be

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      • trumper
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Aug 2003
        • 6677

        #4
        Well regardless of whether or not it was a Spitfire something happened that needed attention .

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        • scotavia
          scotavia
          • Nov 2005
          • 2758

          #5
          It happened in September .and if an aircraft pases behind you its likely they had you in sight but you were not made aware so it becomes a sighting report. I had a Tornado pair do this to me when were in the C172,, saw one on one side and heard the other. Still worrying...

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          • RAFRochford
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Feb 2006
            • 906

            #6
            So the Beeb upset Ultimate Warbird Experience? The first picture was of ML407, swiftly followed by P7350, so they must have upset the BBMF too!

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            • J Boyle
              With malice towards none
              • Oct 2004
              • 9733

              #7
              I see the BBC is now using a formation photo clearly marked "file".
              The photo editors probably don't realize that the markings and serials represent a specific aircraft.

              I have some sympathy for the Piper pilot, when I was flying a helicopter over a river (where I was supposed to be), I was very closely overtaken on the right by a larger and much faster police helicopter. Aside from not passing on the left, he didn't make his intentions known over the radio and was a bit startling.

              Broadly similar to when a noisey, speeding motor bike comes out of nowhere and nearly takes your side mirror off while passing.
              There are two sides to every story. The truth is usually somewhere between the two.

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              • Bob
                Bob
                Aerophile
                • Jan 2000
                • 3640

                #8
                The article seemed to randomly load stock images each time I refreshed the article - I was waiting for a Triumph to appear...
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                • RAFRochford
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Feb 2006
                  • 906

                  #9
                  ↑↑↑↑↑ Where's the like button when you need it.

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                  • Bob
                    Bob
                    Aerophile
                    • Jan 2000
                    • 3640

                    #10
                    RAFRochford - bottom right of the post
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                    • ZRX61
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • May 2005
                      • 4731

                      #11
                      Originally posted by J Boyle View Post
                      I see the BBC is now using a formation photo clearly marked "file".
                      The photo editors probably don't realize that the markings and serials represent a specific aircraft.

                      I have some sympathy for the Piper pilot, when I was flying a helicopter over a river (where I was supposed to be), I was very closely overtaken on the right by a larger and much faster police helicopter. Aside from not passing on the left, he didn't make his intentions known over the radio and was a bit startling.

                      Broadly similar to when a noisey, speeding motor bike comes out of nowhere and nearly takes your side mirror off while passing.
                      When you're on a bike the widest point is (usually) where your hands are on the handlebars. It's quite easy to judge gaps that are 5-6in wider than the bars, even when traveling at warp factor stupid. By the time most car drivers notice the bike, the rider is already passing the next car in front of them. I've got GoPro videos taken from my bike on LA freeways that look more than a bit scary, but actually weren't at all.

                      If anybody ever tells you anything about an aeroplane which is so bloody complicated you can't understand it, take it from me: It's all balls. RJM.

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                      • QldSpitty
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Apr 2006
                        • 2581

                        #12
                        A miss is a miss...
                        "If the C.O. ask's you to be Tail End Charlie...just shoot him!!!....A Piece of Cake.
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                        • Beermat
                          1 Registered Rank Loser
                          • Oct 2009
                          • 3617

                          #13
                          I wonder whether the reporter used the word 'stunt' just to wind the aviation comminity up - it had to be said that the incident occurred 'after a stunt'.One in mid-air, no less (which I would have thought was the safest place - it's the edges that are dangerous).

                          Report is via this link: https://www.airproxboard.org.uk/Repo...ng-April-2019/



                          Strikes me that there's a little bit of exageration going on here, for whatever reasons - or the PA-28 has a very small windscreen.

                          The UKAB seem effectively to be saying that even though those accusing the Spitfire pilot of doing something dangerous can't agree what it was, the Spitfire should have taken action to avoid closing to 400ft, even from behind, as in the Spitfire pilot's account. Fair enough?

                          There's no sign of a 'stunt'.There was a roll, but the proximity 'incident' occured during a climbing turn. Perhaps the reporter was trying to invoke Shoreham.
                          Last edited by Beermat; 27th May 2019, 07:11.
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                          • Bob
                            Bob
                            Aerophile
                            • Jan 2000
                            • 3640

                            #14
                            the PA28 pilot stating that the Spitfire had passed directly in front, filling the entire windscreen and that he could see every rivet;

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                            • J Boyle
                              With malice towards none
                              • Oct 2004
                              • 9733

                              #15
                              Beermat...
                              In terms of total area, the PA-28 has a larger windscreen than a Spitfire.

                              I'm not casting aspersions it on anyone, but if the Piper pilot feels he was in danger he did right to speak up.

                              It's likely he thinks he's right, just as the Spitfire pilot likely feels there was no danger.
                              A difference of opinion. It happens.

                              ​​Don't assume the Piper pilot is a low-time nervous Nelly and the Spitfire pilot is an infallible "air god". Let the authorities sort it out.

                              But let's hope everyone uses this as a "teachable moment"...and it furthers the cause of air safety.

                              Putting it bluntly...the warbird community and the Spitfire rides industry...can't afford a fatal mishap lest they be hit with more regulations/limitations.
                              (I believe that the U.K. ride business will end following the first fatal mishap.)

                              Media hype or not, the memory and legacy of Shoreham is out there.
                              Last edited by J Boyle; 27th May 2019, 14:46.
                              There are two sides to every story. The truth is usually somewhere between the two.

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                              • Bob
                                Bob
                                Aerophile
                                • Jan 2000
                                • 3640

                                #16
                                Originally posted by J Boyle

                                Putting it bluntly...the warbird community and the Spitfire rides industry...can't afford a fatal mishap lest they be hit with more regulations/limitations.
                                (I believe that the U.K. ride business will end following the first fatal mishap.)

                                Media hype or not, the memory and legacy of Shoreham is out there.
                                Nowhere have I seen it written that this was a T9 Spitfire. Certainly no mention in the report.
                                Single seat Spitfires operate in the area as well.


                                Under my gruff exterior lies an even gruffer interior...

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                                • J Boyle
                                  With malice towards none
                                  • Oct 2004
                                  • 9733

                                  #17
                                  I'm not suggesting it was, just making the blindingly obvious point that the Spitfire ride program would be extremely susceptible to governmental action in case of a mishap.

                                  In other words, to most people (public, poluticians, bureaucrats, media) if some guy hurts himself in an old aeroplane that's one thing, but to injure a paying passenger is quite another. And any adverse attention to warbird operations (whether single or two seat) is best avoided.

                                  As such, anything that improves safety (even if it turns out to be much ado about nothing...to coin a phrase) should be welcomed and not belittled or minimized.
                                  Last edited by J Boyle; 27th May 2019, 21:00.
                                  There are two sides to every story. The truth is usually somewhere between the two.

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