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  • DragonRapide
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Jun 2007
    • 1001

    #21
    Sounds good CADman! Mildenhall makes sense. The thought of that scale of development around Duxford is frankly horrifying! Will be interesting to see how this pans out.
    Listening out for something interesting approaching...

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    • Binbrook 01
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Dec 2004
      • 607

      #22
      One thing that seems to have been missed here is.... that being the curse of all surplus USAF bases.

      They are (usually) fitted out to US 110 volt, and other systems are to US standards.

      pit.

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      • DragonRapide
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Jun 2007
        • 1001

        #23
        Good Lord Binbrook01! I had no idea that was the case. Interesting.
        Listening out for something interesting approaching...

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        • Evalu8ter
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Nov 2011
          • 188

          #24
          Duxford would need significant infrastructure work for Marshalls. At least 1500ft would need to be added to the runway to make it comparable to Cambridge's (ideally longer if Marshalls want to service/modify bigger platforms), there's no formal ATC provision nor runway approach lighting and no Instrument Approach Aids and procedures - all mandatory for operating certain classes of aircraft depending on insurance requirements. All of these, added to the new facilities north of the A505, plus the potential to need to "beef up" the PCN of some other taxiways, will cost a small fortune to implement. Plus, a lot of Marshalls' work is "camera shy" so having their customers aircraft paraded in front of hundreds of daily visitors is likely not ideal. Duxford is a smokescreen, as is Wyton (due to planned redevelopment). As for other options, Scampton is knackered and too far north, Alconbury too far gone, Thurleigh a race track, Sculthorpe too far/too bare, Mildenhall possibly to stay open longer than planned and Honington is no longer active (and would need significant re-investment) and is full of Rockapes. Cranfield has a long enough runway, a recently digitised tower, an ambitious expansion plan (including an Air Park) and is investing in a number of runway and approach aid improvements. To me it's the best option.

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          • Firebird
            Avons with attitude
            • Mar 2003
            • 2149

            #25
            Originally posted by Binbrook 01 View Post
            One thing that seems to have been missed here is.... that being the curse of all surplus USAF bases.

            They are (usually) fitted out to US 110 volt, and other systems are to US standards.

            pit.
            Yep, which is why the 'hall isn't an option for Marshall's, plus the shear bloody size of the place means a awful lot of maintenance for a small outfit like Marshalls.

            With rumours that the housing project at Wyton has been canned due to local roads not being able to cope with traffic increase, Wyton would make more sense, and wouldn't too far away from workforce point of view. However, runway is in need of resurfacing by all accounts, and hangars have massively deteriorated, so again, substantial costs would be involved.
            I was with it all the way until letting the brakes off..........

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            • CADman
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • Aug 2008
              • 649

              #26
              Hangars at Wyton will be of little use to Marshalls, too small and too old.
              New hangars, offices and associated ramps will be required, preferable well away from the existing and well used RAF buildings, some of which IIRC were built over the western end of the taxiway.
              For those that do not know Wyton is home to one of UK's main intelligence hubs and as such is a very secure site and is unlikely to be considered available.

              Mildenhall, despite its issues, offers a great deal for Marshall's. Location, unlimited expansion, existing facilities and happy neighbours.

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              • Firebird
                Avons with attitude
                • Mar 2003
                • 2149

                #27
                Originally posted by CADman View Post
                Hangars at Wyton will be of little use to Marshalls, too small and too old.
                New hangars, offices and associated ramps will be required, preferable well away from the existing and well used RAF buildings, some of which IIRC were built over the western end of the taxiway.
                For those that do not know Wyton is home to one of UK's main intelligence hubs and as such is a very secure site and is unlikely to be considered available.
                You've got the large area on the northside that could be built on and developed, where the Air Ambulance operates from, which also already has a seperate access entrance from the A141.
                This would be the logical place for Marshall at Wyton, and wouldn't interfere with current southside RAF use, including the secret squirrel ops there in the new building complex.
                I was with it all the way until letting the brakes off..........

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                • Binbrook 01
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Dec 2004
                  • 607

                  #28
                  None military activities at MoD St Athan, don't seem to affect what still
                  goes on (supposedly). Or has the MoD finally abandoned the place????

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                  • Firebird
                    Avons with attitude
                    • Mar 2003
                    • 2149

                    #29
                    Originally posted by Binbrook 01 View Post
                    None military activities at MoD St Athan, don't seem to affect what still
                    goes on (supposedly). Or has the MoD finally abandoned the place????
                    MOD not abandoned the place, but the less than 20 year old maintenance super-hanger built there to service fast jets at huge cost to the taxpayer, is now being incorporated into the new Aston-Martin car factory being built on the site.
                    I was with it all the way until letting the brakes off..........

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                    • Elmdon Boy
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Jan 2017
                      • 180

                      #30
                      Am I missing something here, but why don't they just stay where they are.

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                      • TwinOtter23
                        NAM volunteer-Plugmeister
                        • Jan 2006
                        • 7718

                        #31
                        More money to be made by releasing the land for housing at Cambridge.
                        Find out what's happening at newarkairmuseum.org
                        Please help move Chinook ZA717 to Newark Air Museum

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                        • Elmdon Boy
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Jan 2017
                          • 180

                          #32
                          But wouldn't it cost a fortune to bring any of these alternative sites up to there required spec, plus the costs of moving and disruption to there present staff and also losing key staff.
                          Not that people count when money is to be made.
                          I of course have no idea of the cost of one against the other.

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                          • TwinOtter23
                            NAM volunteer-Plugmeister
                            • Jan 2006
                            • 7718

                            #33
                            The rationale is explained in the weblink to the Cambridge newspaper article in the opening post of the thread and the aerial view of the site in the same article shows the close proximity of the exisiting local housing etc.
                            Find out what's happening at newarkairmuseum.org
                            Please help move Chinook ZA717 to Newark Air Museum

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                            • 1batfastard
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • Jan 2013
                              • 3337

                              #34
                              Hi All,
                              What about reactivating Woodbridge/Bentwaters ?

                              Geoff.

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                              • Binbrook 01
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • Dec 2004
                                • 607

                                #35
                                Remember the grand plans in the mid 90s to relocate the Harriers from Cottesmore and Wittering to Bentwaters/Woodbridge.... Well I pointed out the reason why it never happened last week

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                                • Credible Sport
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Jan 2004
                                  • 343

                                  #36
                                  With regards Wyton, what about the radiation at and around the nuclear wash ramp? I'll bet that would take some clearing up!
                                  The 543 Victors, 51 Canberras and sometimes the 39 Canberras were all washed there.
                                  Looking at Google Earth it shows no sign of clear up.
                                  Many good men ended up with cancer washing the radiation off these aircraft and the MoD still deny them help.
                                  I'll bet that no civilian operator would want to go there with that lot still around.
                                  Now officially a 'Senior Citizen'

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