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By: - 22nd March 2019 at 22:10 Permalink
There's a complete one in the solent sky museum in Southampton
By: - 23rd March 2019 at 03:04 Permalink - Edited 23rd March 2019 at 04:09
Are any of these available..at any price ?
Not many out there. But three complete ones are currently with collectors building airworthy Tempest/Typhoon projects.
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By: - 23rd March 2019 at 13:47 Permalink
Finding a Napier Sabre, is right up there with finding a Unicorn.
By: - 23rd March 2019 at 23:22 Permalink
Both Duxford and Hendon have got a 'sectioned' example...
...not sure if you combined both you'd get a complete engine?
(No, you wouldn't; I've checked!)
By: - 23rd March 2019 at 23:29 Permalink
The engine in the first post is the Hendon example.
By: - 24th March 2019 at 10:42 Permalink
Anybody have the time and care to consolidate all the info into an up to date list?
A previous thread https://forum.keypublishing.com/forum/historic-aviation/89431-napier-sabre-list
With 3 different teams building airworthy Typhoons and a Tempest (or should that be Tempests now?), I would have thought that any available Sabres or parts would be known about/already acquired, or maybe not?
By: - 24th March 2019 at 11:07 Permalink - Edited 24th March 2019 at 11:11
DaveR's list from 10 years ago, with JDK's edit on the worldwide ones
A few changes have happened since then
I have the rough outline of the list I have...I don't tend to collect the engine numbers/mark so have added where I happen to have been given them (many of the recovered/restored engines are not recognisable anyway). I look forward to comments, corrections and hopefully additions :)UK Museums & Groups
1 * IIa RAF Museum, installed in MN235
1 * IIa RAF Museum, installed in NV778
1 * III RAF Museum, displayed in front of MN235
1 * VII Southampton hall of aviation, on loan from Birmingham ex. Napiers
1 * VII Duxford, sectioned ex. Cambridge University
1 * IIb London Science museum, Kensington
1 * IIa RRHT, ex. Cranfield University
1 * IIa? Brenzet Aero Museum, Tempest ?? recovery
1 * ?? Dumfries and Galloway, Typhoon MN532 recovery
1 * ?? Reports to be still in place at crash, Typhoon JR439
1 * ?? Robertsbridge Aviation Sociecty, no. 44816 Typhoon ?? recovery
1 * ?? ?? ex. Shoreham Aviation museum, Typhoon ?? recovery with R Marley?
1 * ?? Devon Aircraft Recovery & Research, Typhoon ?? recovery
1 * ?? Honiton ATC, same as above?UK Private
1 * IIa? Peter Smith, Typhoon R7708 recovery
1 * ?? Private collector in Manchester area, parts to build complete engine
1 * ?? Brian Barnes in Coventry area, unconfirmed
1 * ?? Roger Marley in Shropshire, ex. shoreham example or recovery?
1 * ?? Photgraphed by divers in the sea off GuernseyMuseums Europe/World
1 * ?? BAHAAT incomplete recovery
1 * ?? Kermitt Weeks
1 * ?? Kermitt Weeks ex. Jim Irving, Tangmere?
1 * IIa? Smithsonian, ex. Napiers, spare for MN235
1 * ?? Canada Aviation Museum/Musée de l'aviation du Canada, Rockliffe Ottawa, ON, ex Napiers sectioned
1 * ?? Canadian Aviation Heritage Centre, Quebec. Typhoon ?? recovery Fr.
1 * ?? World of Wearable Art & Classic Cars Museum, Nelson NZ. (On loan)
1 * ?? Swiss Air Force Museum, ex. Napiers sectioned
1 * ?? AVOG Neth., Typhoon/Tempest?? recovery
1 * ?? Fort Vekdhuis Neth., Typhoon/Tempest?? sea recovery
1 * ?? Musee de l'air Fr., Typhoon ?? crash/recovery
1 * IIb? Arromanches Fr., Typhoon MN809 recovery
1 * IIb? Bayeux Fr., Typhoon MN142 recovery
1 * IIa? Bayeux? Fr., Typhoon JR256 recovery
1 * IIa? ? Fr., Typhoon JP656 recovery
1 * ?? Caen Memorial Fr., Typhoon ?? recovery
1 * IIb? Till-sur-seulles, Typhoon MN125 recoveryTotal of 35 Sabres listed here...there are about 4 that have question marks over them (duplicate or did they ever exist) and I haven't included the Guernsey example in the total (currently in the sea)
By: - 24th March 2019 at 19:10 Permalink
Some of the Sabres on display in museums today are green in colour. Was this simply standard Napier practice with exhibition engines or were all Sabres finished in this colour, even those destined for service?
By: - 24th March 2019 at 21:53 Permalink - Edited 24th March 2019 at 22:09
DaveR might list 35 entries but remove those recovered, sectioned or “maybe” and it’s down to just nine (the New Zealand one is also sectioned).
As for adding to the nine, I understand Kermit has three, maybe four, and DaveR has located another two, with a genuine lead on at least another. They’re turning up in unexpected places but it never ceases to amaze what’s still out there.
By: - 24th March 2019 at 23:00 Permalink
When it comes to finding specific aircraft parts never say never. I'll echo Vega's comment about what's out there and keeps turning up.
Regarding the Sabre engine; I'm very much looking forward to the day when I can hear one running.
Anon.
By: - 25th March 2019 at 08:46 Permalink
Not an easy engine for a pilot.
By: - 25th March 2019 at 09:42 Permalink
A remarkable film well worth watching. Brings back memories of those days.
By: - 26th March 2019 at 08:22 Permalink
More about Sabre powered Typhoon.
By: - 26th March 2019 at 19:24 Permalink
The problem is that sea-salvaged Sabre engines being aluminium, are likely to be riddled with corrosion; and intact undamaged engines are suspect unless they were properly inhibited as specified in A.P.1810A. Vol 1,Section 3 paragraph 36; and associated Vol 2 leaflets: A.P.1464/C32W and A.P.830/C5.
The criteria states that after initial running; the engine must be inhibited if it is anticipated that it will stand for 48hours or more before restarting. The effect of 70-odd years silence is not mentioned anywhere!
The original Inhibition fluid is specified as:
Intava Corrosion Inhibitor Type C (Stores Ref: 33C/777) or Corrosion Inhibitor (Stores Ref: 33c/563) if the Intava version is not available.
By: - 27th March 2019 at 05:29 Permalink
48 hours, is that it?! I can’t see that happening in the warbird world. They’d better stock up on LOTS of inhibition oil if they follow the AP.....
By: - 28th March 2019 at 08:19 Permalink
You should see the TBO in service on those units...FB
Yes, please :applause: !
By: - 28th March 2019 at 11:02 Permalink
Letˋs see this summer. If Vintage V12 is able to restore a reliable Centaurus, they will also be able to walk over water, or restore a Sabre to running condition! I think the water option is more likely. :)
By: - 28th March 2019 at 19:55 Permalink
I don’t think the issue of getting a sabres running is going to be an issue at all - plenty of them ran, it’s the management of them that was the issue in service.
It will be interesting to see the civilian TBO time proposed.
FB
By: - 28th March 2019 at 20:05 Permalink
Aluminium...what grade ?
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By: topspeed - 22nd March 2019 at 20:27 - Edited 22nd March 2019 at 20:31
Are any of these available..at any price ?
https://www.reddit.com/r/EnginePorn/...odels_of_this/