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  • Propstrike
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    • Mar 2004
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    T-28 crashes after tree-strike flypast, Guatemala 10th March 2019

    ''Spectators gathered to watch performances at the National Motor Sports Championship in Guatemala, witnessed a plane crash. According to local media , last Sunday, March 10, the T-28 Trojan piston aircraft under the command of Rodrigo Ibarguen was running a flight program. During the execution of one of the elements, the pilot made a collision with a tree, almost hitting the rostrum with people, after which the aircraft crashed onto the road. From his injuries, the pilot died. The second dead was the aviation mechanic Pablo Guillain, whom Ibarguen took with him on the flight.''

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytkg...zYR2b2xG8K4r40
  • DoraNineFan
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    • Oct 2005
    • 216

    #2
    Several video clips have been published and some are graphic.

    For anyone not wishing to watch, the pilot makes several extremely low diving passes flying directly over the stopped race cars and over the small grandstand area. The direction of travel is directly toward the grandstands. On both passes the plane nearly pancakes into the trees behind the stands, and this is what happens on the second pass. On the second pass the tall pines directly behind the grandstands shudder with the impact as the plane strikes the ground. There is no post-crash fire.

    Other videos show people running and driving to the impact area with mangled bits of aircraft in the road. Both occupants are lying several meters from each other and people begin to give first aid to one occupant who is still strapped in a seat resting with bits of fuselage.
    Last edited by DoraNineFan; 12th March 2019, 12:40.

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    • scotavia
      scotavia
      • Nov 2005
      • 2699

      #3
      This video from 2015 reveals the style of flying and also that countries attitude to displays...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2Gi...DM2CcjcqDvRy4w

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      • Pulsar-xp
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        • Mar 2012
        • 148

        #4
        If you remember the airshows of sevenies here in Europe, there were also very interesting performances.....I remenber a B17 and an A26.

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        • ZRX61
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          • May 2005
          • 4609

          #5
          After he hit the trees, he went through a concrete wall next to the road.
          If anybody ever tells you anything about an aeroplane which is so bloody complicated you can't understand it, take it from me: It's all balls. RJM.

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          • topspeed
            Get on uppah !
            • Jan 2009
            • 2592

            #6
            Originally posted by ZRX61 View Post
            After he hit the trees, he went through a concrete wall next to the road.
            Wonder if the pilot who survived was able to tell what went wrong...before dying to his wounds ?
            If it looks good, it will fly good !
            -Bill Lear & Marcel Dassault


            http://max3fan.blogspot.com/

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            • Sabrejet
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              • Mar 2010
              • 1671

              #7
              Well this got weird quickly. A bit of respect maybe?

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              • topspeed
                Get on uppah !
                • Jan 2009
                • 2592

                #8
                Originally posted by Sabrejet View Post
                Well this got weird quickly. A bit of respect maybe?
                What is it that you find weird ?

                Pilot survived the crash.

                https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase...11USFvwcCCJ-iM

                Last edited by topspeed; 13th March 2019, 10:16.
                If it looks good, it will fly good !
                -Bill Lear & Marcel Dassault


                http://max3fan.blogspot.com/

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                • Sabrejet
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                  • Mar 2010
                  • 1671

                  #9
                  Talking about how somebody died. Weird. Inappropriate. Mawkish then.

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                  • topspeed
                    Get on uppah !
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 2592

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Sabrejet View Post
                    Talking about how somebody died. Weird. Inappropriate. Mawkish then.
                    Are you not interested what causes these accident ?

                    20-100 people were about to die there.
                    If it looks good, it will fly good !
                    -Bill Lear & Marcel Dassault


                    http://max3fan.blogspot.com/

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                    • Propstrike
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                      • Mar 2004
                      • 3921

                      #11
                      The cause is reasonably self-evident ( if you can allow setting aside medical incapacitation and structural/ control issues ) .

                      Rodrigo Ibarguen had big flying accidents in 2015 and 2017, and his flying style was very 'flamboyant', shall we say.

                      In a regulated display arena, such as the UK for instance, he would have been red-flagged for....


                      1. An unsafe manoeuve with a high rate of descent, and a desperate recovery and though he did not quite hit the ground, he did impact terrain


                      2. Performing a figure with a deliberate on-crowd vector. He missed the packed stands by a wingspan, and only by chance.


                      3. Flying a display with a passenger on board.


                      It is very sad. The only good that could come from it is to reinforce and promulgate established safe practices in future display flying.

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                      • DoraNineFan
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Oct 2005
                        • 216

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Propstrike View Post
                        The cause is reasonably self-evident ( if you can allow setting aside medical incapacitation and structural/ control issues ) .

                        Rodrigo Ibarguen had big flying accidents in 2015 and 2017, and his flying style was very 'flamboyant', shall we say.

                        In a regulated display arena, such as the UK for instance, he would have been red-flagged for....


                        1. An unsafe manoeuve with a high rate of descent, and a desperate recovery and though he did not quite hit the ground, he did impact terrain


                        2. Performing a figure with a deliberate on-crowd vector. He missed the packed stands by a wingspan, and only by chance.


                        3. Flying a display with a passenger on board.


                        It is very sad. The only good that could come from it is to reinforce and promulgate established safe practices in future display flying.
                        Well said. Maybe this accident will stress the need for safe display flying policies in other countries. That was some of the most dangerous flying I have seen outside of Waldo Pepper.

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                        • topspeed
                          Get on uppah !
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 2592

                          #13
                          Originally posted by DoraNineFan View Post

                          Well said. Maybe this accident will stress the need for safe display flying policies in other countries. That was some of the most dangerous flying I have seen outside of Waldo Pepper.
                          Yes I agree...but what makes him fly towards the grand stands..he usually likes to impress with very close flying, but not totally "killing" ?

                          One chap recently said he blacked out after the incident.
                          If it looks good, it will fly good !
                          -Bill Lear & Marcel Dassault


                          http://max3fan.blogspot.com/

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                          • Sabrejet
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                            • Mar 2010
                            • 1671

                            #14
                            No - me neither. Answers on a postcard.

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                            • ZRX61
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • May 2005
                              • 4609

                              #15
                              There's another one down in LA this evening at Compton Airport. Details are a bit sketchy, there's one fatality & there was also a Cessna involved. At this point they aren't sure of the sequence of events & one source mentioned it may have been a midair. T28 looks intact on the gear & minor fire damage.

                              Edit:
                              T28 was on approach & hit a Cessna. Cessna is all burned up. Both aircraft on the airfield, Fatality appears to have been in the Cessna.

                              Edit #2: Cessna was on the runway when it was hit
                              Last edited by ZRX61; 14th March 2019, 13:58.
                              If anybody ever tells you anything about an aeroplane which is so bloody complicated you can't understand it, take it from me: It's all balls. RJM.

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                              • scotavia
                                scotavia
                                • Nov 2005
                                • 2699

                                #16
                                T28 Compton video, it was an uncontrolled field and the video ends in a fireball as the T28 runs into the rear of the Cessna which had just landed..ttps://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/b14lwz/aircraft_crash_in_compton_ca_313/

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