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  • Newforest
    Rank 5 Registered User

    Pan Am 103 parts still visible in Lincolnshire.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...scrapyard.html

    Surprising, but a poignant reminder of this tragedy.
    http://www.flightmemory.com/ I have been round the world 11.83 times!
  • Anon
    Mike Davey

    #2
    Is he being paid to keep it or, more likely, did Mr. Windley win the contract to scrap the stuff and just pile it up instead?

    For the reason of the tragedy alone the stuff should be smelted and disappear. If not, it will forever be "discovered" every so often and brought to public attention, thereby reopening old wounds for some and awful memories for many.

    Anon.

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    • adrian_gray
      Which idiot let HIM in?

      #3
      At risk of sounding sarky, if you read the artisler, it will tell you.

      Adrian
      "Snow clearing equipment has been found under snowdrift" - message sent from RNAS Hatston, Orkney, 1944.

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      • Mothminor
        Rank 5 Registered User

        #4
        I think what surprises me most is that those remains are stored outdoors where any forensic evidence will possibly have deteriorated over time. The Megrahi case has never fully gone away and is presently under review by the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission. I know a lot of testing will have been done at the time of the bombing but more might yet need to be done depending on the outcome of that review.

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        • 91Regal
          dastardly, dangerous

          #5
          Diverting from the main topic (apologies) what are those 3 helios stored behind that building ? I was tempted to think Whirlwind or Wessex but I'm not so sure.
          plain old vanilla

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          • TonyT
            Rank 5 Registered User

            #6
            Too close to home for me, I was walking up to my resettlement training at home when it went in, a minute earlier and I would have been wearing it, I still remember the haunting sound of a lone siren in the near distance on that night as the first vehicle from Carlisle responded followed by the cachopony as all of the other emergency service vehicles responded and headed north. Of trying to talk sense into people wanting to go see, and then as I was walked home seeing the first Chinook responder flying over, I having came off Chinooks a few years before was duly impressed that they had got the crews in, the kit together, generated a cab and got her up the length of the UK in a scant few hours.
            People I know were respondents that night, both military and civil, and the stories they told me made my decision to stop the stupid attempting to travel up there all the more worthwhile, I remember watching the seakings and Chinook carry out their searches, but a few short miles from my home. Tragic, utterly tragic and such a waste of innocent lives.

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            • J Boyle
              With malice towards none

              #7
              91Regal...
              The helicopters are Whirlwinds.

              I was on the command staff at Bentwaters/Woodbridge. When I saw the news report I called the command post (now a feature of the Bentwaters Cold War Museum) and asked the on duty controller to let me know if the 67th ARRS HH-53s were called to service.
              There are two sides to every story. The truth is usually somewhere between the two.

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              • Nige
                Rank 5 Registered User

                #8
                I think what surprises me most is that those remains are stored outdoors where any forensic evidence will possibly have deteriorated over time. The Megrahi case has never fully gone away and is presently under review by the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission. I know a lot of testing will have been done at the time of the bombing but more might yet need to be done depending on the outcome of that review.
                The stuff that has useful forensic material on it is in dry store at Farnborough. This is the material that was left...
                Last edited by Nige; 6th December 2018, 09:45.

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                • SADSACK
                  Rank 5 Registered User

                  #9
                  Some swine was selling parts on ebay a few years ago, having nicked them from this compound.
                  pb::

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                  • CADman
                    Rank 5 Registered User

                    #10
                    The yard in question has other aircraft wrecks, some with less that happy stories to tell. Guess that is why they are less than friendly towards people visiting the site. Sadly this news item will only encourage the 'wrong sort' of interest. Wrecks and Relics lists the Whirlwinds as XJ407, XP328 and XP329

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                    • ZRX61
                      Rank 5 Registered User

                      #11
                      Was this an airfield at some point? two hangars & a control tower..
                      If anybody ever tells you anything about an aeroplane which is so bloody complicated you can't understand it, take it from me: It's all balls. RJM.

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                      • Newforest
                        Rank 5 Registered User

                        #12
                        A perceptive question ZR! A close neighbour is the Battle of Britain Memorial Flight at Coningsby. The 'control tower' is probably more related to the track activities behind the scrapyard, perhaps a go-kart track or driving instructors course.
                        http://www.flightmemory.com/ I have been round the world 11.83 times!

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                        • ZRX61
                          Rank 5 Registered User

                          #13
                          I was thinking of the building far left by the yellow crane, not the white building by the track... but looking again with my good glasses on I'm not so sure...However, that 2400ft long grass strip (visible on Google Earth, but the bottom of this pic) immediately to the North does look like a runway.

                          If anybody ever tells you anything about an aeroplane which is so bloody complicated you can't understand it, take it from me: It's all balls. RJM.

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                          • scotavia
                            scotavia

                            #14
                            At some stage the owner Roger Windley had an ex Northolt Whirlwind which flew for a while and also rented out film props .https://forum.keypublishing.com/foru...-har-10-g-bkhc
                            The story on the Pan Am bits is a re told item in the press from 2007.

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                            • Hooligan
                              Rank 4 Registered User

                              #15
                              Roger Windley let me look round the aircraft there about 30 years ago (before the Lockerbie bombing). I don't recall any of the aircraft there at the time, other than the wreck of Luton Minor G-BDJG which I had last seen disappearing into the valley at Biggin Hill five years earlier heading to its crash - I gather the pilot happily was unhurt.

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                              • KurtB
                                Rank 3 Registered User

                                #16
                                ZR, youre not seeing RAF Woodhall are you? Thats pretty close too.

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                                • ZRX61
                                  Rank 5 Registered User

                                  #17
                                  Nope, that's off to the North East.

                                  This looks like a grass strip:

                                  53 7'23.99"N 012'47.39"W
                                  If anybody ever tells you anything about an aeroplane which is so bloody complicated you can't understand it, take it from me: It's all balls. RJM.

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                                  • John Aeroclub
                                    Rank 5 Registered User

                                    #18
                                    When I was stationed at RAF Coningsby in the late 1970's I was a regular visitor to Roger Windley's scrap yard, as I was building a Triumph based sports car and the yard and helpful and obliging staff provided much of what I needed. Mr Windley had a number of helicopters under covered storage including a small Dutch agricultural type. I seem to remember a small adjacent airstrip. I do remember one of the S.55's appearing at Old Warden once, possibly in the 80's.

                                    The Lockerbie tragedy was a horrible event. But now the quiet storage in rural Lincolnshire of (possibly) secondary wreckage has been sensationalized by a cretinous British newspaper for no other purpose than to sell it's rag with "sensational Aerial photographs".

                                    May the victims rest in peace, because sadly we will be seeing no truth or justice coming out of Libya for a long time to come, Nor the Daily Wail.

                                    John

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                                    • Hooligan
                                      Rank 4 Registered User

                                      #19
                                      a number of helicopters under covered storage including a small Dutch agricultural type
                                      Was that one of those tailless tip jet things, Colibri or something? Don't recall seeing one there. I do recall his one of his Whirlwinds turning up at the PFA fly in at Cranfield in the mid-80s.

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                                      • TwinOtter23
                                        NAM volunteer-Plugmeister

                                        #20
                                        Could the type referenced be a Sud-Ouest S.O.1221 Djinn - one is listed in the current Wrecks & Relics as being at this location?
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