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  • Lingo Dog
    Rank 3 Registered User
    • Oct 2018
    • 104

    #21
    Remind me please.... what are we all falling out over? I for one very much look forward to seeing Peter Jacksons film.

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    • Propstrike
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Mar 2004
      • 3995

      #22
      Just a moment of frustration that, without exception, EVERY discussion ( and there has been quite a few) about his film on this forum is derailed by utterly tedious references to a peripheral matter of no interest on a historic aircraft forum.

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      • J Boyle
        With malice towards none
        • Oct 2004
        • 9760

        #23
        If I were Jackson and looked at this forum and saw how people who are supposed to be supportive of the film are complaining, I'd give up and go back to making elf films.
        At least then you wouldn't have a bunch of anoraks whining about peripheral nonsense.
        There are two sides to every story. The truth is usually somewhere between the two.

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        • Meddle
          Rank Bajin.
          • Sep 2014
          • 1626

          #24
          This thread turned out exactly as predicted. Perhaps Peter Jackson was reticent about producing a film given that discussion about it invariably ends up with a gaggle of old men goading each other into typing "nigger" on the Internet?

          Perhaps he also realises that beyond the ingenuity, complexity and novelty of Barnes Wallis' bomb design,and the courage and precision of the pilots themselves, the dambusters raids weren't actually all that significant, tactically, in shaping the course of WW2? German industry was temporarily inconvenienced and a chunk of the civilian population were drowned in their beds. Hooray? I doubt Americans, or many people under 60, give a stuff!

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          • J Boyle
            With malice towards none
            • Oct 2004
            • 9760

            #25
            Forget America, I think the new target audiences for action films (i.e. one not involving Judy Dench) is Asia.
            How many Chinese are going to care?
            If he wants to make money, have the RAF attack the Japanese rice patty dams. That will be box office! Then they'll eat the silly dog.

            That​​​​​​ will make everyone happy (except the RSPCA, but note, they didn't bob his tail before eating it).
            Last edited by J Boyle; 30th November 2018, 21:40.
            There are two sides to every story. The truth is usually somewhere between the two.

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            • daveg4otu
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • Oct 2008
              • 661

              #26
              Political correctness gone mad!
              It isn't just the dog - but everything else - We must not rewrite history just because some people don't like the truth. The dog today ....denying the holocaust tomorrow? Where do you stop?
              http://www.hampshireairfields.co.uk/

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              • trumper
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Aug 2003
                • 6695

                #27
                Amazing isn't it when the P/C brigade get all upset because of the name of a dog but seem to forget that bombers from all countries killed and maimed hundreds of thousands of innocent women and children.

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                • KurtB
                  Rank 4 Registered User
                  • Feb 2018
                  • 179

                  #28
                  Wow, much thread drift. Peter Jackson is making a film about 617 Sqns raid set in 1943. Shall we see how that film turns out?

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                  • Propstrike
                    Rank 5 Registered User
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 3995

                    #29
                    To the naysayers above, I would observe that to predict, before production has commenced, what will or will not prove to be a 'hit' is a tricky business, and even the industry gets it wrong most of the time. About 80 % percent of films are not great financial successes , but the industry is carried by the 20% blockbusters which make a packet !

                    Imagine selling the pitch for a film about an old King a lifetime ago, who had a bad stutter and had to go to a speech therapist. On the face of it, a total Art-House yawn-fest, yet the Kings Speech made over £80 million worldwide on a production budget of barely £10 million.

                    Dambusters has it all, drama, jeopardy, action, heroics. Infact you could sell it as a historical version of Star Wars, which, as I recall, was actually quite popular !

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                    • J Boyle
                      With malice towards none
                      • Oct 2004
                      • 9760

                      #30
                      I can imagine a few young people walking out of the theater saying "What a Star Wars ripoff...". : )
                      There are two sides to every story. The truth is usually somewhere between the two.

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                      • trumper
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Aug 2003
                        • 6695

                        #31
                        It's probably not going to be a huge cinematic success as in numbers going to see it BUT there will be a huge market for DVD's and after market stuff.Some films need to be made probably more as a personal project .You only have to look at the huge sell outs and effect when the Canadian Lancaster made it's way here.I hope the film is made ,i hope it is made well and will stand in time as a historic memorial to the brave people involved.

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                        • RAFRochford
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Feb 2006
                          • 908

                          #32
                          Well, I'm very pleased to hear that the project is back on track. I thought the same old yawn fest about the dog would have drifted past, but apparently not. Hence my tongue in cheek reference to all the other carp we've heard before. I'm just excited at the prospect of Peter Jackson taking on an aviation related film. It's surely going to be good?
                          Last edited by RAFRochford; 3rd December 2018, 15:49.

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                          • MFowler
                            Rank 4 Registered User
                            • Jan 2018
                            • 114

                            #33
                            I too hope that it's finally made. We need our heroes to be remembered, and this is one good way to do it.

                            100 percent historical accuracy is impossible to achieve, but I suspect Mr. Jackson will give it more than just lip service. And 99 percent of the people who do watch the movie won't know the difference anyway. So - bring on the popcorn!

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                            • J Boyle
                              With malice towards none
                              • Oct 2004
                              • 9760

                              #34
                              Exactly.
                              Why I even know if an old airplane film where they use the wrong marks, some have the wrong engines and incorrect paint. Despite those flaws, not to mention some special effects, script and acting issues, the enthusiasts still love it.
                              There are two sides to every story. The truth is usually somewhere between the two.

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                              • QldSpitty
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • Apr 2006
                                • 2603

                                #35
                                Same thing will happen with what happened after Saving Private Ryan,the rivet counters will jump out and try correct everything.
                                "If the C.O. ask's you to be Tail End Charlie...just shoot him!!!....A Piece of Cake.
                                http://spitfirea58-27.blogspot.com.au/

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                                • daveg4otu
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Oct 2008
                                  • 661

                                  #36
                                  Amazing !
                                  If there was one place on the internet where I thought accuracy was considered all- important, that place was here........ but apparently inaccuracies are OK and PC editing acceptable by some here.
                                  http://www.hampshireairfields.co.uk/

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                                  • Tin Triangle
                                    Bright Young Thing
                                    • Dec 2009
                                    • 1218

                                    #37
                                    "I'd give up and go back to making elf films. At least then you wouldn't have a bunch of anoraks whining about peripheral nonsense."


                                    Have you ever met a J.R.R. Tolkien enthusiast?
                                    Armchair enthusiast, but also a fan of sofas and recliners.

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                                    • Propstrike
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Mar 2004
                                      • 3995

                                      #38
                                      Minor technical and historical inaccuracies are not a disappointment to nit-pickers and self-appointed experts. Quite the contrary, they are delightful nuggets to be leaped upon, relished, and are a means to impress anybody who is interested ( or not) with ones superior knowledge.

                                      Real howlers do detract from the credibility of a film and should be avoided, but it is naive and idealistic to suppose that film-makers could, or should expend huge resources of time and money, on details which will go unnoticed by almost all of the audience. After all, the film is a product, and the idea is to make a profit.

                                      In historic aviation especially, one simply has to be pragmatic, as seen in 1968 (Battle of Britain) when the ONLY way to have a fleet of German bombers and fighters is to use merlin-engined examples. All flying films inevitably have compromises on technical details, and it is only a certain kind of person who gets too distracted by it.

                                      So Dambusters will without doubt depart in some ways from recorded historic reality, but with strong characterisation and a compelling plot, there is great potential.

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                                      • J Boyle
                                        With malice towards none
                                        • Oct 2004
                                        • 9760

                                        #39
                                        Tin Triangle...

                                        Yes, I knew some in secondary school. They were the only "bigger nerds" than myself.
                                        Yes, they'll be nerdy about Tolkien subjects, but at least we won't have to read about them here.

                                        Rather like the famous tree falling in a forest, if they complain on another forum, do they really make a noise?
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                                        There are two sides to every story. The truth is usually somewhere between the two.

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                                        • RAFRochford
                                          Rank 5 Registered User
                                          • Feb 2006
                                          • 908

                                          #40
                                          Propstrike;

                                          Totally agree on the BoB movie Buchons and Casa 2.111s. I've never had an issue with this either. In fact, I still find it amazing that there was even a credible fleet of "Luftwaffe" fighters and bombers still available in 1968. That fact alone actually makes the movie quite special for me.

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