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  • HALCYONMAN
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    Scrapping of Short Sperrin

    Excellent [but silent] Pathe film of Trident first flight at Hatfield in January 1962 shows what appears to be intact Short Sperrin in back ground @ 5.44.
    From other info available it says that the Sperrin's were or had been scrapped in the late 1950s with one source quoting 1958?. As this is filmed January 1962 [according to clapper board on Pathe website] it proves the Sperrin was STILL intact till at least then in the beginning of the 60s and possibly longer?.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNBXLFF80tI
    https://www.britishpathe.com/video/f...ident-airliner

  • adrian_gray
    Which idiot let HIM in?

    #2
    Well, if it's not a Sperrin, what the hell else could it be?

    Adrian
    "Snow clearing equipment has been found under snowdrift" - message sent from RNAS Hatston, Orkney, 1944.

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    • alertken
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      #3
      WB494 Avro Ashton. engine FTB. Scr. Hatfield 1963.

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      • Ex Brat
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        #4
        The tailplane dihedral is more like the Sperrin than Ashton.

        Poor research for for the Short Sperrin could be a cause of date confusion.

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        • ericmunk
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          #5
          Well, there was a third Sperrin... A static test frame, full size. Never flown. Could be that?

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          • Goldilocks
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            #6
            Andover

            Goldilocks

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            • Consul
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              #7
              Alertken is spot on. It is definitely the Ashton he identified and it was scrapped at Hatfield after the date of the Trident FF.
              "Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."(Mary Baker Eddy)

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              • Ant.H
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                #8
                Looks very much like a Sperrin to me, the "stacked" upper and lower engines are pretty unique (Ashton engines were under-slung) and everything else fits with Sperrin (mid-wing, slab-sided fuselage etc, Ashton was low-wing, circular fuselage).
                Last edited by Ant.H; 9th October 2018, 11:54.
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                • Schneiderman
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                  #9
                  High-mounted tailplane with dihedral. Fits for Sperrin but not for Ashton, which was mid-mounted without dihedral.

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                  • Growler
                    In the Heart of England.

                    #10
                    Here's the screen grab. Looks pretty Sperrin-like to me.
                    Along the edge of this airfield, the old prop-shaft airliners stand.
                    Altimeters reading zero, formless memories lingering...


                    theguitarsmith.com

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                    • adrian_gray
                      Which idiot let HIM in?

                      #11
                      Well, the Andover has the dihedral tailplane and the exhausts could be mistaken for the Sperrin's stacked engines. I could believe that (do the dates fit, anyone?), but I'm not going to believe it's an Ashton until I see a photo of one with an engine fit that explains that rear view and the dihedral. As a testbed it's possible, but not until...

                      Adrian
                      "Snow clearing equipment has been found under snowdrift" - message sent from RNAS Hatston, Orkney, 1944.

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                      • JagRigger
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                        #12
                        Could simply be 'sent for scrapping 1958', but languished several more years before being disposed of

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                        • Graham Boak
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                          #13
                          OK, but why at Hatfield?

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                          • Growler
                            In the Heart of England.

                            #14
                            Andover from a similar angle for comparison.
                            Along the edge of this airfield, the old prop-shaft airliners stand.
                            Altimeters reading zero, formless memories lingering...


                            theguitarsmith.com

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                            • Pen Pusher
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                              #15
                              Andover C1, as in piccie above, prototype flew from Woodford in 1963, according to Wikipedia.

                              Brian
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                              • John Aeroclub
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                                #16
                                The type in the background is a Sperrin. and probably VX158 which operated out of Hatfield to test the Gyron Junior.

                                John
                                Last edited by John Aeroclub; 9th October 2018, 14:13.

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                                • Cherry Ripe
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                                  #17
                                  Interpolated zoom and forced contrasts. Looks like double-stacked exhausts and bogie undercarriage, slab fuselage, curved fin. Very much a Sperrin. Good find!

                                  OK, but why at Hatfield?
                                  Perhaps as simple no-one stumped up the cash to fly it anywhere else after the Gyron tests concluded? It was an unwanted pile of junk by then and DH certainly weren't going to pay to move it.

                                  I wonder if the 1958 date is when the airframe was struck-off charge by the MoS, rather than the actual date of scrapping.
                                  Last edited by Cherry Ripe; 9th October 2018, 14:31.

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                                  • Consul
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                                    #18
                                    At 0.34 the Ashton can be seen by the hangar. Are we talking about two different aircraft in the background?
                                    "Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."(Mary Baker Eddy)

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                                    • Cherry Ripe
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                                      #19
                                      At 0.34 the Ashton can be seen by the hangar. Are we talking about two different aircraft in the background?
                                      *cough* that's a Comet!

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                                      • IAIN43
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                                        #20
                                        The Sperrin was still in one piece when I visited Hatfield in July 1961. In the YouTube video at 8:17 you can also see the Ashton beside what looks like a Comet.
                                        Why did the Sperrin end its days at Hatfield ? Probably because it was a flying test bed for the de Havilland Gyron, which was manufactured at nearby Leavesden.
                                        Iain

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