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  • LimaNovember
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Oct 2003
    • 148

    #61
    MH 434 also had the tailfin in Norwegian colours in the late eightees and had grey paintsheme.
    LimaN

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    • Mark12
      MEANS MOTIVE OPPORTUNITY
      • Jan 2000
      • 10821

      #62
      LimaNovember,

      That scheme has been posted on page one of this thread.

      Mark
      "...the story had been forensically examined and was deeply impressive. I knew that the whole story was a load of myth and baloney"

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      • Portugal
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2003
        • 344

        #63
        MH-434 In Portugal Air Show 2003

        (My photos)

        www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=151740
        www.planepictures.net/netshow.cgi?133558

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        • Mark12
          MEANS MOTIVE OPPORTUNITY
          • Jan 2000
          • 10821

          #64
          A sneaky one

          Is this AV-I for real or just AV-H with part of the 'H 'decal blown away - can anybody confirm?

          Mark
          Attached Files
          "...the story had been forensically examined and was deeply impressive. I knew that the whole story was a load of myth and baloney"

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          • DazDaMan
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Aug 2003
            • 18619

            #65
            Love the shot of the Spitfire trio (MH434, PL983 and ML417). You can almost hear Tim Woodward saying: "Tighten up, Hornet aircraft. You're like a bunch of girl guides on a picnic!"
            Daren Cogdon

            Spitfire fanatic

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            • Mark12
              MEANS MOTIVE OPPORTUNITY
              • Jan 2000
              • 10821

              #66
              MH434 50th birthday party.

              Alex Henshaw presents Ray Hanna with 'his' cockpit crowbar at the celebration of MH434's 50th 'birthday' - 25th July 1993.......
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              "...the story had been forensically examined and was deeply impressive. I knew that the whole story was a load of myth and baloney"

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              • Mark12
                MEANS MOTIVE OPPORTUNITY
                • Jan 2000
                • 10821

                #67
                ..............and Rolf, Mark and Ray pose with the 222 Sqd. score trophy, a section of Me109 wing, on the same day.

                Mark
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                "...the story had been forensically examined and was deeply impressive. I knew that the whole story was a load of myth and baloney"

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                • Mark12
                  MEANS MOTIVE OPPORTUNITY
                  • Jan 2000
                  • 10821

                  #68
                  And finally on this thread from me.

                  Here is an image of a Christmas Card from OFMC of a few years back.

                  By coincidence - a cracking photo of MH434 on it by John Dibbs.

                  As Warbird owners tend to put their favourite photo of the year on their Christmas cards, is there scope for a 'Christmas cards of yesteryear' thread, or would this be pushing the boundaries of copyright too far? Any views?

                  Mark
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                  "...the story had been forensically examined and was deeply impressive. I knew that the whole story was a load of myth and baloney"

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                  • jbs
                    jbs
                    Spitfire Tinkerer
                    • Jan 2000
                    • 723

                    #69
                    Well here's

                    To all,

                    Thank you to all who have replied and added to this thread, I would especially like to thank Mark12 and Leharve for the craking piccies and excellent information

                    From all of the information posted I have put together the following list. If you have any further information or spot some mistakes please let me know and I'll pop them in or correct it.

                    H-105 RNethAF..........1948
                    H-68 RNethAF............1949
                    SM-41 RBAF.............1953-1954
                    COGEA scheme..........1956-1963
                    Variation of basic COGEA scheme...c1964
                    White & Silver scheme (minor change to reg)between 1964 and 1966
                    White & Silver scheme (reg moved to fin).1966
                    Battle of Britain film (AI-A N3310 S at Cambridge)1968
                    Battle of Britain film (AI-A N3310 P)1968
                    Battle of Britain film (AI-D N3313 P at Duxford)1968
                    Battle of Britain film (AI-D N3313 S at Duxford)1968
                    Battle of Britain film (AI-E N3314 P at Sywell)1968
                    Battle of Britain film (AI-E N3314 S at Bovingdon).1968
                    Battle of Britain film (AI-G N3316 P at Duxford)1968
                    Battle of Britain film (AI-K N3319 P at Debden)1968
                    Battle of Britain film (AI-H N3317 P)1968
                    Battle of Britain film (BO-G N3316 S).1968
                    Battle of Britain film (CD-F N3315 S)..1968
                    Battle of Britain film (CD-H N3317 S at Cambridge)..1968
                    Battle of Britain film (CD-M N3312 P at Duxford).1968
                    Battle of Britain film (CD-M N3321 P at Duxford).1968
                    Battle of Britain film (DO-N P Air-to-air)1968
                    Battle of Britain film (EI-H N3317 S at Duxford)1968
                    Battle of Britain scheme (no codes)early 1970s
                    Battle of Britain scheme (Shell and Cathay logos)c1971-1972
                    AC-S (full fuse D-Day stripes/dodgy under-wing roundals)mid 1970's
                    AC-S (under fuselage Invasion stripes)1978
                    ZD-B (with D-Day stripes)....1983-1988
                    B of B scheme for Piece of Cake (no codes)1988
                    NS-L BoB scheme for Piece of Cakec04-05/1988
                    NS-X BoB scheme for Piece of Cakec04-05/1988
                    NS-E BoB scheme for Piece of Cakec04-05/1988
                    NS-K BoB scheme for Piece of Cakec04-05/1988
                    Overall Pale Grey scheme for Poirot TV series..05/1988
                    PRU Blue scheme........1989
                    Norwegian PRU Blue scheme...1989
                    BoB Green-Brown scheme (no codes)1990
                    CK-D (RAF) for Perfect Hero TV series1990
                    CK-D (RBAF)..............1991
                    AV-H...............1992
                    ZD-B...............1992-1993 (MH434s 50th birthday)
                    ZD-B...............1994-1995 (Following rebuild by Arco)
                    WO-A for "Over Here" TV series.1995
                    ZD-B...............unknown date (not sure about this)
                    MN-B..............1995
                    SZ-G (Polish Scheme)...05/1997 to circa 06/1998
                    Without codes......summer 1998
                    Without codes but with R J Mitchell dedication25/07/1998
                    PK-K (Polish Scheme)......08/1998, removed during winter
                    ZD-B (Yellow spinner).....1999-2001
                    GE-X (349 Sqn RBAF) (worn for one day only).2002
                    ZD-B (Sky spinner).......2002 to date
                    John

                    I Wandered Lonely As A Clown...

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                    • DOUGHNUT
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2000
                      • 464

                      #70
                      All this talk about colour schemes and code letters brings me to a techinical question about the paints used? For example it can be seen from the list above that MH434 has gone from grey/green to brown /green and back again every few years to suit the needs of the film industry. So how many layers of paint are on the aircraft, obviously the build up of paint over more than two or three repaints would be unaceptable, so is the 'film-set' colour scheme some sort of washable paint that once finished with can be removed to reveal the orginal colour? Similarly how easy, and costly, are removable code letters.

                      DOUGHNUT

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                      • DazDaMan
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Aug 2003
                        • 18619

                        #71
                        I would say that, at the moment, only one layer of paint is worn by MH434 - the ZD-B codes she currently wears.

                        I would also think that, whenever OFMC have needed to repaint the Spit for whatever reason, they would simply paint out the bits that aren't needed (brown for grey etc) and then paint them back in, or wash them off?

                        I know that, for "Dark Blue World", EP120 and MV154 were painted with "wash-off" acrylics - dunno about MH434 though.

                        Removable codes for "Piece of Cake" were, apparently, a nightmare for the continuity department, as they were always coming apart in mid-air, so they got rid. This is explained slightly differently in the TV series, though
                        Daren Cogdon

                        Spitfire fanatic

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                        • Mark12
                          MEANS MOTIVE OPPORTUNITY
                          • Jan 2000
                          • 10821

                          #72
                          JBS,

                          Those BoB codes are Port and Starboard, cut and pasted from my database, so perhaps a bit of double counting there.

                          Mark
                          "...the story had been forensically examined and was deeply impressive. I knew that the whole story was a load of myth and baloney"

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                          • jbs
                            jbs
                            Spitfire Tinkerer
                            • Jan 2000
                            • 723

                            #73
                            Originally posted by Mark12
                            JBS,

                            Those BoB codes are Port and Starboard, cut and pasted from my database, so perhaps a bit of double counting there.

                            Mark
                            Mark,

                            Ok, no problem - now I understand the P and S, mind you it does make me look a bit daft now

                            Ah well, never mind
                            John

                            I Wandered Lonely As A Clown...

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                            • DazDaMan
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • Aug 2003
                              • 18619

                              #74
                              Mark12

                              The image of MH434 following acquisition by Adrian Swire (just after her role in the Battle of Britain movie) - I was just wondering if the camouflage pattern on the upper wing was typical of the Spitfires used in the movie.

                              It's always been a source for much head-scratching for me as I cannot get a good image of the Spitfires' topsides from the movie when I'm trying to build a model of one!

                              Daz
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                              Daren Cogdon

                              Spitfire fanatic

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                              • Mark12
                                MEANS MOTIVE OPPORTUNITY
                                • Jan 2000
                                • 10821

                                #75
                                Daz,

                                Although the illustration you have given is a fresh paint scheme post BoB film and post the similar shot with the grey serial, the camou delineage in both these side views marries well with side views of MH434 in the film. From that, reasonably, the the wings will also. I will see if I can find a top wing view

                                Mark
                                "...the story had been forensically examined and was deeply impressive. I knew that the whole story was a load of myth and baloney"

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                                • DazDaMan
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Aug 2003
                                  • 18619

                                  #76
                                  Cheers Mk12 - I'll see if I can get one to look right, finally, instead of looking like this one...

                                  (obviously this isn't MH434! )
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                                  Last edited by DazDaMan; 19th January 2004, 15:05.
                                  Daren Cogdon

                                  Spitfire fanatic

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                                  • DazDaMan
                                    Rank 5 Registered User
                                    • Aug 2003
                                    • 18619

                                    #77
                                    Just had a quick browse through my photos on the Pc and came across another shot of '434 in her "Perfect Hero" markings.

                                    (no idea who took the pic - sorry! )
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                                    Daren Cogdon

                                    Spitfire fanatic

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                                    • Septic
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Jul 2003
                                      • 1498

                                      #78
                                      How about MH434 in primer whilst under rebuild with ARCO.
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                                      Real Messerschmitt's have Merlins.

                                      http://www.woodlandsjoinery.co.uk/

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                                      • DazDaMan
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • Aug 2003
                                        • 18619

                                        #79
                                        Originally posted by Septic
                                        How about MH434 in primer whilst under rebuild with ARCO.
                                        "The Naked Lady"?
                                        Daren Cogdon

                                        Spitfire fanatic

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                                        • JDK
                                          JDK
                                          Mr Tweed
                                          • Sep 2003
                                          • 8443

                                          #80
                                          What a teriffic thread!

                                          Thanks to all those who've contributed - I thought I had an idea of the schemes '434 wore, but the Elstree pics from Mark 12 show how carefull you have to be about any of it - I can hear the argument now ("I tell you, white reggie." - "Nah, it was on the tail...") if you only had one of those pics.

                                          As part of a vintage aviation model display, some friends and I built several models of '434 in some of the (many) schemes - I'll have to see if I can find the pics...

                                          Mark 12 - any chance of an enlargement or a better representation of the COEGA marking under the cockpit?

                                          Any more?

                                          Cheers
                                          James K

                                          Looking and thinking...
                                          Vintage Aero Writer: Blog & Details

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