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By: 30th July 2018 at 20:36 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Well if I'm reading the data right it was originally 244 cm dia (seven and a bit feet) and it's off a 200 CV powered engine yet it appears to be British rotation. (Lynx Avro?) I wonder if it's something to do with 6 Sqn who disbanded at Coltishall and who spent much of their service in the middle east. Though some of the bases don't match.
John
By: 31st July 2018 at 15:37 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Thank you John, I shall have a look at 6 Sqn's history and see how it equates. It's at least a starting point!
All the best,
Simon.
By: 31st July 2018 at 16:30 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-I think it looks like an Italian prop to me and Alfa Romeo made a licence built Lynx...
By: 31st July 2018 at 16:33 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Breda BA-19 -look at the crinkles on the brass edge strip ?
TT
By: 31st July 2018 at 16:41 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Souvenir from travels in north Africa?
Very nicely painted on calligraphy, historical event, a race, tour?
Might come from Captain Haddock's family mansion. :cool:
By: 31st July 2018 at 17:15 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-203 squadron seems to have been at these locations, note that the list on the prop is not in year order......http://www.rafcommands.com/Ross/Coastal/203C.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No._203_Squadron_RAF Among the numerous types of aircraft it was equipped with were the Nieuport 17, Nieuport 21, and Sopwith Pup, followed later by the Sopwith Camel.
By: 31st July 2018 at 17:33 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-My money's on 203 Squadron between May 1940 and mid-1946.
By: 1st August 2018 at 00:19 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Good thinking TT. Another more common type to use the Lynx was the Breda 25.
John
By: 1st August 2018 at 11:54 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-I've PM'd you for more gen Simon!
ATB
TT
By: 1st August 2018 at 14:16 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Thanks to everyone who has responded, I was sure that people on here would be able to work out a lot more than me about it. It does indeed look to me as if the BA-19's prop is the same - also v interested about 203 Sqn.
Was it ever the custom to do this sort of thing to the props of captured / shot down aircraft? If that's Italian, could it be that the Breda was captured during WW2 by the RAF? I did initially wonder if it had been the victim of propstrike or if the tips had become damaged in some way which necessitated the shortening of it.
TT - I've replied to your PM.
All the best,
Simon.
By: 1st August 2018 at 14:37 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Thanks Simon, much appreciated! ATB TT
By: 1st August 2018 at 20:01 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Isnt anybody rushing to Norwich to buy it then? How much we they asking SimonR
By: 2nd August 2018 at 00:05 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-I rotated the prop 90 degrees to more easily read names:
Khormaksar [Aden, Yemen]
Kamaran [Kamaran Island, west coast of Yemen]
Kabrit [Suez Canal Zone, Egypt]
H.4 [northeastern Transjordan]
Habbaniya [Iraq]
Heraklion [north coast of Crete]
LG.39 (Abu Menas) [Egypt, I think]
Fuka [north coast of Egypt]
El Gubbi (Tobruk) [Libya]
Berka Main (Benghazi) [Libya]
Sidi Barrani [north coast of Egypt]
Gambut [northeast coast of Libya]
Bu Amud [southeast of Tobruk, Libya]
LG.X [Abu Sueir North, Egypt]
Abu Su(??)r – Must be ABU SUEIR [eastern Egypt, near the Suez Canal]
??
??
??
++++++++++++center of prop++++++++++++
San. . . – Must be SANTA CRUZ [near Bombay, on India’s west coast]
Madu. . . – Must be MADURA [southern India]
Kankesa. . . – Must be KANKESANTURAI [northern tip of Ceylon]
203 Squadron is a very good guess. It's reasonable to think that the propeller moved with the squadron, as they changed aircraft types flown. They were on Liberators out of Ceylon late in the war.
By: 2nd August 2018 at 09:21 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Glad my 20 minutes on goggle was not wasted.... a shame my copy of Air Britains Squadrons of the RAF was in the loft, would have been easier...
By: 2nd August 2018 at 13:46 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-http://www.rquirk.com/med/203sqn/203sqnmed.htm
The Squadron was based at the following bases during this period:
Base
Dates
Isthmus, detachment Kamaran
August 1939 to December 1939
Sheikh Othman, detachment Kamaran
December 1939 to May 1940
Khormaksar
May 1940 to April 1941
Kabrit
April 1941
Heraklion
April 1941
Kabrit
April 1941 to May 1941
Lydda, detachment Habbaniya, H.4
May 1941
Kabrit
May 1941 to June 1941
Gambut (L.G.101)
June 1941 to December 1941
LG.05
December 1941 to January 1942
Buka
January 1942
El Gubbi
January 1942 to February 1942
Sidi Barrani (LG.39)
February 1942 to June 1942
Abu Sueir
June 1942 to September 1942
Gianaclis
September 1942 to March 1943
Berka No. 3
March 1943 to October 1943
LG.91
October 1943 to November 1943
During this period it used the following aircraft types:
Aircraft
Dates
Short Singapore III
September 1935 to February 1940
Bristol Blenheim IV
May 1940 to November 1942
Lockheed Hudson II/III
February 1942 to March 1942
Martin Maryland II
February 1942 to November 1942
Martin Baltimore I, II, III
August 1942 to August 1943
Martin Baltimore IIIA, V
May 1943 to October 1943
By: 2nd August 2018 at 17:31 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-How much was the propeller out of the interest ?
By: 2nd August 2018 at 17:47 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Just to confirm that it's not off a Breda 25 as it's prop diameter is 252 cm. I'd forgotten that I have copies of the engineering notes for this aeroplane.
John
By: 2nd August 2018 at 20:06 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-The list of 203 Sqn bases in TonyT’s post is incomplete, as seems to be the case for any website listing 203’s bases, but if multiple listings on the web are analyzed, it becomes clear that 203 Sqn was, indeed, at each and every location known to have been painted onto the propeller. For example, the RAF Commands link given by scotavia (post #7) lists Santa Cruz, Madura, and Kankesanturai, omitted from the list in TonyT’s link. The website http://www.historyofwar.org/air/units/RAF/203_wwII.html offers even more, including mentions in the narrative that are not in the list of bases.
But 203 Sqn continues to be the logical link to the propeller.
By: 11th September 2018 at 20:44 Permalink
-Sooooo,
Prop mounted on some wall somewhere now?
(would have it on mine :) )
By: 12th September 2018 at 13:47 Permalink
-I did email the person on the association address to let them know, whether they got it I do not know.
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By: SimonR - 30th July 2018 at 15:48
I found this over the weekend in Norwich in an antiques shop. I'm not looking to buy it, but thought it would be interesting to see if anyone could ID it or supply any more information about it.
IMAG0503 by John Doe, on Flickr
IMAG0513 by John Doe, on Flickr
IMAG0504 by John Doe, on Flickr
IMAG0509 by John Doe, on Flickr
IMAG0511 by John Doe, on Flickr