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  • SimonR
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    Propellor found in Antiques Shop

    I found this over the weekend in Norwich in an antiques shop. I'm not looking to buy it, but thought it would be interesting to see if anyone could ID it or supply any more information about it.

    IMAG0503 by John Doe, on Flickr

    IMAG0513 by John Doe, on Flickr

    IMAG0504 by John Doe, on Flickr

    IMAG0509 by John Doe, on Flickr

    IMAG0511 by John Doe, on Flickr
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  • John Aeroclub
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    #2
    Well if I'm reading the data right it was originally 244 cm dia (seven and a bit feet) and it's off a 200 CV powered engine yet it appears to be British rotation. (Lynx Avro?) I wonder if it's something to do with 6 Sqn who disbanded at Coltishall and who spent much of their service in the middle east. Though some of the bases don't match.

    John

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    • SimonR
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      #3
      Thank you John, I shall have a look at 6 Sqn's history and see how it equates. It's at least a starting point!

      All the best,

      Simon.
      "A Flight is much like a short life.... So is a Life just like a, er , long flight...?" - Bernard Chabbert, Flying Legends, (Saturday) 2015.

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      • TEXANTOMCAT
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        #4
        I think it looks like an Italian prop to me and Alfa Romeo made a licence built Lynx...
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        • TEXANTOMCAT
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          #5
          Breda BA-19 -look at the crinkles on the brass edge strip ?

          https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...he_engine).JPG

          TT
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          • Flying_Pencil
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            #6
            Souvenir from travels in north Africa?
            Very nicely painted on calligraphy, historical event, a race, tour?

            Might come from Captain Haddock's family mansion.
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            • scotavia
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              #7
              203 squadron seems to have been at these locations, note that the list on the prop is not in year order......http://www.rafcommands.com/Ross/Coastal/203C.html

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No._203_Squadron_RAF Among the numerous types of aircraft it was equipped with were the Nieuport 17, Nieuport 21, and Sopwith Pup, followed later by the Sopwith Camel.

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              • Derbyhaven
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                #8
                My money's on 203 Squadron between May 1940 and mid-1946.
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                Ronaldsway Airport, IOM

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                • John Aeroclub
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                  #9
                  Good thinking TT. Another more common type to use the Lynx was the Breda 25.

                  John

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                  • TEXANTOMCAT
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                    #10
                    I've PM'd you for more gen Simon!

                    ATB

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                    • SimonR
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                      #11
                      Thanks to everyone who has responded, I was sure that people on here would be able to work out a lot more than me about it. It does indeed look to me as if the BA-19's prop is the same - also v interested about 203 Sqn.

                      Was it ever the custom to do this sort of thing to the props of captured / shot down aircraft? If that's Italian, could it be that the Breda was captured during WW2 by the RAF? I did initially wonder if it had been the victim of propstrike or if the tips had become damaged in some way which necessitated the shortening of it.

                      TT - I've replied to your PM.

                      All the best,

                      Simon.
                      "A Flight is much like a short life.... So is a Life just like a, er , long flight...?" - Bernard Chabbert, Flying Legends, (Saturday) 2015.

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                      • TEXANTOMCAT
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                        #12
                        Thanks Simon, much appreciated! ATB TT
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                        • Elmdon Boy
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                          #13
                          Isnt anybody rushing to Norwich to buy it then? How much we they asking SimonR

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                          • Matt Poole
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                            #14
                            I rotated the prop 90 degrees to more easily read names:

                            Khormaksar [Aden, Yemen]
                            Kamaran [Kamaran Island, west coast of Yemen]
                            Kabrit [Suez Canal Zone, Egypt]
                            H.4 [northeastern Transjordan]
                            Habbaniya [Iraq]
                            Heraklion [north coast of Crete]
                            LG.39 (Abu Menas) [Egypt, I think]
                            Fuka [north coast of Egypt]
                            El Gubbi (Tobruk) [Libya]
                            Berka Main (Benghazi) [Libya]
                            Sidi Barrani [north coast of Egypt]
                            Gambut [northeast coast of Libya]
                            Bu Amud [southeast of Tobruk, Libya]
                            LG.X [Abu Sueir North, Egypt]
                            Abu Su(??)r Must be ABU SUEIR [eastern Egypt, near the Suez Canal]
                            ??
                            ??
                            ??

                            ++++++++++++center of prop++++++++++++

                            San. . . Must be SANTA CRUZ [near Bombay, on Indias west coast]
                            Madu. . . Must be MADURA [southern India]
                            Kankesa. . . Must be KANKESANTURAI [northern tip of Ceylon]

                            203 Squadron is a very good guess. It's reasonable to think that the propeller moved with the squadron, as they changed aircraft types flown. They were on Liberators out of Ceylon late in the war.
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                            Last edited by Matt Poole; 2nd August 2018, 19:10. Reason: smaller picture
                            RAF LIBERATORS OVER BURMA (subtitled FLYING WITH 159 SQUADRON) by Bill Kirkness DFM and Matt Poole, published by Fonthill Media

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                            • scotavia
                              scotavia

                              #15
                              Glad my 20 minutes on goggle was not wasted.... a shame my copy of Air Britains Squadrons of the RAF was in the loft, would have been easier...

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                              • TonyT
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                                #16
                                http://www.rquirk.com/med/203sqn/203sqnmed.htm

                                The Squadron was based at the following bases during this period:



                                Base


                                Dates

                                Isthmus, detachment Kamaran


                                August 1939 to December 1939

                                Sheikh Othman, detachment Kamaran


                                December 1939 to May 1940

                                Khormaksar


                                May 1940 to April 1941

                                Kabrit


                                April 1941

                                Heraklion


                                April 1941

                                Kabrit


                                April 1941 to May 1941

                                Lydda, detachment Habbaniya, H.4


                                May 1941

                                Kabrit


                                May 1941 to June 1941

                                Gambut (L.G.101)


                                June 1941 to December 1941

                                LG.05


                                December 1941 to January 1942

                                Buka


                                January 1942

                                El Gubbi


                                January 1942 to February 1942

                                Sidi Barrani (LG.39)


                                February 1942 to June 1942

                                Abu Sueir


                                June 1942 to September 1942

                                Gianaclis


                                September 1942 to March 1943

                                Berka No. 3


                                March 1943 to October 1943

                                LG.91


                                October 1943 to November 1943



                                During this period it used the following aircraft types:



                                Aircraft


                                Dates

                                Short Singapore III


                                September 1935 to February 1940

                                Bristol Blenheim IV


                                May 1940 to November 1942

                                Lockheed Hudson II/III


                                February 1942 to March 1942

                                Martin Maryland II


                                February 1942 to November 1942

                                Martin Baltimore I, II, III


                                August 1942 to August 1943

                                Martin Baltimore IIIA, V


                                May 1943 to October 1943

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                                • Runway06
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                                  #17
                                  How much was the propeller out of the interest ?

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                                  • John Aeroclub
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                                    #18
                                    Just to confirm that it's not off a Breda 25 as it's prop diameter is 252 cm. I'd forgotten that I have copies of the engineering notes for this aeroplane.

                                    John

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                                    • Matt Poole
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                                      #19
                                      The list of 203 Sqn bases in TonyT’s post is incomplete, as seems to be the case for any website listing 203’s bases, but if multiple listings on the web are analyzed, it becomes clear that 203 Sqn was, indeed, at each and every location known to have been painted onto the propeller. For example, the RAF Commands link given by scotavia (post #7) lists Santa Cruz, Madura, and Kankesanturai, omitted from the list in TonyT’s link. The website http://www.historyofwar.org/air/units/RAF/203_wwII.html offers even more, including mentions in the narrative that are not in the list of bases.

                                      But 203 Sqn continues to be the logical link to the propeller.
                                      Last edited by Matt Poole; 3rd August 2018, 02:07. Reason: Tighten up the post (w/due respect to Archie Bell & the Drells)
                                      RAF LIBERATORS OVER BURMA (subtitled FLYING WITH 159 SQUADRON) by Bill Kirkness DFM and Matt Poole, published by Fonthill Media

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                                      • Flying_Pencil
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                                        #20
                                        Sooooo,
                                        Prop mounted on some wall somewhere now?
                                        (would have it on mine )
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