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  • TwinOtter23
    NAM volunteer-Plugmeister
    • Jan 2006
    • 7748

    Puma for Newark Air Museum

    NAMs website & social media feeds are reporting that in the coming weeks they are acquiring an incomplete Puma helicopter for the collection in eastern Nottinghamshire.

    Due in from RAF Cranwell in the not too distant future.

    Further details can be found in here!
    Find out what's happening at newarkairmuseum.org
    Please help move Chinook ZA717 to Newark Air Museum
  • HaveQuick2
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Nov 2006
    • 115

    #2
    Good news. Quite an under-represented type. Just the ones at FAST and Long Kesh in the UK AFAIK.
    HQ2 out

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    • TwinOtter23
      NAM volunteer-Plugmeister
      • Jan 2006
      • 7748

      #3
      Yes, I agree with your comment about the Puma being … “an under-represented type” and to be honest I had initially missed the Puma delivery to Long Kesh.

      Back in 2011 I was personally involved with the original discussions between MoD Abbey Wood and the museum, so it is nice to see a ‘long-term’ project come to fruition; now the additional work commences to secure the missing items.
      Find out what's happening at newarkairmuseum.org
      Please help move Chinook ZA717 to Newark Air Museum

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      • scotavia
        scotavia
        • Nov 2005
        • 2784

        #4
        The lack of museum exhibits would seem to show that the Puma has been very valued in service and not subject to the sudden withdrawals. Good news on the project.

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        • TonyT
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Oct 2006
          • 9010

          #5
          Simple to work on, what is it missing?

          Ex Puma Engineer


          Hmm seems like a lot unless she was tarted up, poor old girl, I have worked on her in better times.....sigh

          http://picssr.com/tags/xw218
          Last edited by TonyT; 24th January 2018, 11:10.

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          • Binbrook 01
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Dec 2004
            • 608

            #6
            A couple are also preserved at Army Barracks. one being the former Argentine Army example that was rebuilt for the RAF. XW208 is currently at Cranwell.

            Tim

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            • heli1
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • Jan 2009
              • 260

              #7
              Well done Newark....be interested to see how much you paid for it. The Helicopter Museum put in a halfhearted bid,based on a bit more than scrap value but with a complete Super Puma in the collection already, decided there were higher priorities,like a new hangar and visitor services building to house the current growing collection! If the rumoured defence cuts go through there may be more Pumas available soon!

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              • TwinOtter23
                NAM volunteer-Plugmeister
                • Jan 2006
                • 7748

                #8
                Thank you scotavia valid comments.

                TonyT interesting to hear that youre an Ex Puma Engineer; my understanding is that externally there is quite a lot missing (work already underway in that department), but in other areas it is quite complete. As far as Im aware this is all reflected in the acquisition cost and that the Puma is known to be a long-term project for NAM and its staff/volunteers.

                Binbrook 01 as ever thank you for the additional feedback!

                heli1 well need to compare notes again sometime; perhaps scrap values are a little bit more .. up north! However Id wager not significantly! I do know that the feeling in Notts was to move sooner, rather than later and in that way not to risk being expected to pay silly figures, as are being sought for Sea Kings!
                Find out what's happening at newarkairmuseum.org
                Please help move Chinook ZA717 to Newark Air Museum

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                • TonyT
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Oct 2006
                  • 9010

                  #9
                  Funny what you remember, 526mm 0404059 if I remember correctly was the nose door anti icing seal on the old intakes though it will have the polyV ones on it now, Wessex one was 26WX 6773... there were some parts on ebay recently, engines and things, jet pipe to from another I worked on.

                  Fitting the engines is so simple it is unreal, drop it's feet onto the plates on the decking, connect the two legs, and secure with nappy pins, then push it back and up into the gearbox and tighten the three 10mm bolts on the gearbox. then the quick release power lever connection, pipes and electrical connections and that's about it..

                  Look forward to seeing her again and well done to all... Interior probably is pretty good as I think it was used for load training?
                  Last edited by TonyT; 24th January 2018, 12:15.

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                  • TwinOtter23
                    NAM volunteer-Plugmeister
                    • Jan 2006
                    • 7748

                    #10
                    Thank you for your additional recollections and thoughts TonyT – I understand that its utilisation as a ‘training aid’ at Cranwell is part of the rationale behind its acquisition and this may be reflected on how its initial display at NAM is implemented/accessed /interpreted.
                    Find out what's happening at newarkairmuseum.org
                    Please help move Chinook ZA717 to Newark Air Museum

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                    • Rocketeer
                      Left to do other things
                      • Jan 2005
                      • 5227

                      #11
                      Great news. Love the Puma.
                      Tony Dyer
                      https://www.facebook.com/TheAirDefen...homepage_panel

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                      • TonyT
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Oct 2006
                        • 9010

                        #12
                        You wouldn't flying down the length of the country at 7000 feet freezing your nutz off sitting in the seats facing the doors, the doors that had been removed due to doors falling off and sadly killing a crew earlier.. you are about 4 inches away from this big hole with a simple lap strap on.. mind you the view was brilliant but reading the paper was out.

                        Basically these seats

                        Last edited by TonyT; 24th January 2018, 15:21.

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                        • Ossington
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Jun 2015
                          • 129

                          #13
                          Well done NAM! Will it be the unfortunate XW218? I'm not complaining but I would like to see a whole one!

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                          • Rocketeer
                            Left to do other things
                            • Jan 2005
                            • 5227

                            #14
                            I've always loved SH TonyT! Fun in Chinook too!
                            Tony Dyer
                            https://www.facebook.com/TheAirDefen...homepage_panel

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                            • DaveF68
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • Jun 2004
                              • 1787

                              #15
                              Didn't the MOD send the unused ex-SAAF airframes straight to scrap? Wonder what ahppened to the others not updated to HC2 standard?

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                              • HaveQuick2
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • Nov 2006
                                • 115

                                #16
                                Hardly "straight to scrap". They were in storage for about a decade before being disposed of.
                                HQ2 out

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                                • Sabrejet
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Mar 2010
                                  • 1746

                                  #17
                                  Good to see!

                                  Shame on you TonyT: I couldn't remember a Section Ref if my life depended on it!!

                                  SJ (ex-26WX and SA.330)

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                                  • TwinOtter23
                                    NAM volunteer-Plugmeister
                                    • Jan 2006
                                    • 7748

                                    #18
                                    Rocketeer thank you Tony.

                                    TonyT thanks again, I suspect youll feel quite at home when you visit.

                                    Ossington the NAM website was updated late this afternoon and its confirmed as XW208; while not complete my understanding is that the NAM acquisition team is already following up leads on some missing structures.

                                    As for the ex-SAAF airframes, NAM is presently just focusing on XW208; and I know theyre pleased that the project is attracting such a lot of interest! Hope everyone takes a look at it on Saturday 3rd March while visiting the Indoor Aeroboot/Aerojumble Sale!
                                    Find out what's happening at newarkairmuseum.org
                                    Please help move Chinook ZA717 to Newark Air Museum

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                                    • Binbrook 01
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Dec 2004
                                      • 608

                                      #19
                                      Of the 6 ex SAAF Pumas we bought, 4 went into the HC.2 conversion line and are still flying. As for the other 2, yes they were disposed of to a yard in/nr Hitchin (under supervision) in 2015, if I recall correctly when I read about it.

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                                      • ZRX61
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • May 2005
                                        • 4740

                                        #20
                                        Incomplete: The doors would be my guess..
                                        If anybody ever tells you anything about an aeroplane which is so bloody complicated you can't understand it, take it from me: It's all balls. RJM.

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