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    Critique Of TIGHAR By Ex-member/Donor

    For the past few decades, TIGHAR (The International Group for Historic Aircraft Recovery) has called itself a group dedicated to the recovery of historic aircraft, but is best known for its focus on finding Amelia Earhart. More recently, it took up the cause of a P-38 buried on a UK beach, where it remains...despite the group's well publicized taking on the project and raising funds for it. Likewise, it involved itself with the possible recovery of TBD torpedo bombers from the Pacific (also unsuccessful) and the recovery of a B-17E from a New Guinea swamp (the aircraft was eventually recovered by another group seemingly without any TIGHAR help). More recently, the group announced an effort to try to find the plane famous USAAF bandleader Glenn Miller disappeared in.
    In short, after about 30 years and raising millions of dollars as a tax free charity, they haven't recovered a airframe or found what they have looked for.

    Here, Monte Fowler, a 18 year ex-member and substantial donor gives a concise overview of the group. While not a fan of the group, his comments are balanced and objective. Particularly interesting are his comments on the salary and estate paid to the group's founder (and sole employee) and the group's seeming intolerance of any criticism.

    Interesting reading..
    http://myplace.frontier.com/~monty.f...r_analysis.htm

    If nothing else, it takes a big man to admit he gave a group a lot of money without much to show for it.
    Last edited by J Boyle; 5th January 2018, 20:37.
    There are two sides to every story. The truth is usually somewhere between the two.

    #2
    It does read as in any other sense of gaining funds through deception, ie. Gaining them for specific tasks by donations and spending them elsewhere and reading it, it appears on themselves.... A true example of a self licking lollipop.

    They appear to jump on any bandwagon to self promote themselves, gain revenue, With a load of false / fantastical promises then move on.
    Last edited by TonyT; 5th January 2018, 21:05.

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      #3
      So that is where that crass Maid Of Harlech name came from
      Officially now a pensioner

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        #4
        Just as I read it, my opinion from that.

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          #5
          Confirms what many already knew or suspected. It would appear from Fowler's statements that many activities would be classed as unlawful or illegal.

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            #6
            Tom Delonge,the drummer for the Band "Blink 182" is doing the same with UFO,s..
            https://dpo.tothestarsacademy.com/
            "If the C.O. ask's you to be Tail End Charlie...just shoot him!!!....A Piece of Cake.
            http://spitfirea58-27.blogspot.com.au/

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              #7
              A very intereting read. You have to wonder though, how as he go away with it for so long ?
              Engine Failure:.... A condition which occurs when all fuel tanks mysteriously become filled with air.

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                #8
                It's like bad restaurants in tourist locations: plenty of new customers and no repeat business. In this case I think the new customers are snared by a constant drip-feed of 'new' projects.

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                  #9
                  and yet a Lincolnshire farmer has been ripped to bits for doing the same thing but putting his own money up, hats off to him
                  SMOKE SMOKE GO!
                  TA out

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                    #10
                    That's quite a conceptual leap to link those two.

                    Moggy
                    "What you must remember" Flip said "is that nine-tenths of Cattermole's charm lies beneath the surface." Many agreed.

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                      #11
                      Not really Moggs just pointing out a man went looking for missing aeroplanes without begging for handouts and actually doing it, thats the link or maybe im an idiot

                      (answers on a post card to)
                      SMOKE SMOKE GO!
                      TA out

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                        #12
                        Why would you be an idiot?

                        I think the defining difference is that one is a conman and one just very gullible
                        "What you must remember" Flip said "is that nine-tenths of Cattermole's charm lies beneath the surface." Many agreed.

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                          #13
                          Possibly in a way that was my point, the man with his hands in his pocket gets out there the other just pockets.

                          and my main point was all the flack he took doing his own thing with his own money not someone elses hard earned.
                          SMOKE SMOKE GO!
                          TA out

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                            #14
                            I think we'll leave that as the last word?

                            Moggy
                            "What you must remember" Flip said "is that nine-tenths of Cattermole's charm lies beneath the surface." Many agreed.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by QldSpitty
                              Tom Delonge,the drummer for the Band "Blink 182" is doing the same with UFO,s..
                              https://dpo.tothestarsacademy.com/
                              Alas Tom is the guitarist, rather than the drummer, of Blink 182. The mistake is understandable though, as his bizarre fascination with UFOs and conspiracy theories puts him safely into drummer territory.

                              Even in my very limited experience, being in a band is boring. You spend 3% of your time playing music, and the rest of the time is either spent plotting your business strategy or twiddling your thumbs waiting for things to happen (and drummers to turn up). Quite what unique insight into 'Engineering space-time' or 'Beamed energy launch systems' Delonge gained from sitting around waiting to soundcheck is beyond me.


                              As for TIGGER, they've done very well for achieving nothing.

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                                #16
                                Ex-guitarist of Blink
                                Magister Aviation
                                It's all in my book

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                                  #17
                                  So that is where that crass Maid Of Harlech name came from

                                  Actually not. The people of the Kingdom of Gwynedd in Harlech coined the name Maid of Harlech. Gillespie claimed it as if he had named it.

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                                    #18
                                    Hi All,
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                                    The above rings bells just like the bloke who realised to late what was ALLEGDLY really happening, Well meant misguided if flawed activities at best, at worst Fraudulent could be alleged some would say, reading that report of the activities makes for very sad reading indeed......

                                    Just saying!

                                    Geoff.
                                    Last edited by 1batfastard; 6th January 2018, 21:24.

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                                      #19
                                      I must admit that I joined Tigar in 1984 as they played up Le Oiseau Blanc search, but after the years membership expired I had seen the light and never renewed.

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                                        #20
                                        I have been told by someone more familiar with the group than myself, that according to tax records, the group has taken in about $11 million over the years. (If someone has better information, I'm willing to be corrected.)

                                        Aside from the pity that the group has never recovering a complete aircraft, or even project, let alone finding AE, think what aircraft that money could have saved.
                                        There are many groups that could have really put that kind of funding to use.
                                        Last edited by J Boyle; 6th January 2018, 22:03.
                                        There are two sides to every story. The truth is usually somewhere between the two.

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