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  • STRATOSAURUS
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    Please Identify This Plane

    Photo maybe taken in Spain around summer 1941, but unconfirmed. Any idea?
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  • kenjohan
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    #2
    It's not unlike a Northrop Gamma.
    Ken

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    • Sabrejet
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      #3
      Or a Lockheed Sirius. But it's neither.

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      • aeronut 2008
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        #4
        Could it be the Mitsubishi Ki 15 Kamakaze round the world flyer?

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        • STRATOSAURUS
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          #5
          Not. Its a different plane...Click image for larger version

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          • Meddle
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            #6
            The scenery in the first photo looks more like that of a Pacific island than Spain.

            I'm wondering if, and why, an aircraft in a civil/racing scheme would be kicking around in Spain in 1941. I'm also trying to work out the letters on the underside of the port wing. SCA?

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            • Beermat
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              #7
              Cockpit and tail look Russian somehow.
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              • viscount
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                #8
                Some rather 'odd' types went to Spain during the Civil War period. I recall a while ago working on the history of a '30s Lockheed or Northrop long distance record breaker that called at Speke, then a while later ended up in Spain during the civil war there and indeed survived until the 50s. Wish I could find my notes - it was bigger than the aircraft in the photo though!

                Found it! I'm referring to 'Lady Peace' a Vultee V-1A Monoplane (OK a Vultee, so my little grey cells are growing older) NR-13770 which called at Speke in September 1936. I researched a caption for the 'Chesterwalls' historic photo website which has a photo of it at Liverpool/Speke. In 1938 it was sold in Spain and involved in the Spanish Civil War. This is most certainly not the aeroplane in the photo shared on the OP of the thread - just mentioned as a comment to balance 'Meddles' query as to why an American racer (or in my case a long distance record breaker) could be in Spain in the early '40s. I'll politely point out to 'Stratosaurus' that Spain has palm trees too! While I'm at it, 'Beermat', I recall the Air Britain Merseyside Branch monthly meetings (although only a teenager at the time) in the Stork Hotel, Liverpool during the '60s - or at least I assume that is the intended connection between avatar and aviation forum!

                Interesting. I just love these 'what/why/where/when is it' threads, even though I rarely have knowledge enough to butt in!
                Last edited by viscount; 26th October 2017, 07:48.

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                • J Boyle
                  With malice towards none

                  #9
                  I can confirm it's not a Northrop.
                  Its cockpit is too far forward for the Gammas and too far back for the 2Es.
                  Overall it almostmatches the 2L sold to Bristol as an engine test bed.
                  The cockpit location and landing gear fairings are close, but the few photos I have of the Bristol ship show a cowl with many aft cowl flaps, a large snorkel air intake and doesn't show the large prop spinner.

                  And as previously stated, it isn't a Lockheed either.
                  Last edited by J Boyle; 25th October 2017, 23:23.
                  There are two sides to every story. The truth is usually somewhere between the two.

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                  • Beermat
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                    #10
                    Really odd one. It looks very American, but the landing gear fairings (and scheme) look very Yakovlev:
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                    I was toying with the under-wing lettering being Cyrillic, but I can't make it match anything.

                    Are we sure this isn't a clever photoshop? Stratosaurus, what is the source of this image?
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                    • STRATOSAURUS
                      Rank 5 Registered User

                      #11
                      Thanks for all replies. The photo is currently for sale on this spanish site. The seller has a group of photos of aircrafts of the spanish air force capted in 08-1941 at San Javier AB as stated almost in one reverse. Really very rare plane, i still search info... https://www.todocoleccion.net/milita...erra~x99699239

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                      • scotavia
                        scotavia

                        #12
                        http://www.hyperscale.com/2017/revie...reviewjm_1.htm

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                        • J Boyle
                          With malice towards none

                          #13
                          scotavia...
                          Look at the photo again....the cockpit is further back than the Northrop 2E image you linked to. Also, the photo shows bullet-like fairings on the landing gear "trousers".
                          Finally, the prop spinner.

                          If it's a Northrop it's one not seen in my books about them.

                          Likewise, it doesn't seem to be a Vultee. While it's broadly similar to the V11, they had retractable gear.

                          If the photo is from Spain, that tells us something, but at the same time doesn't narrow down the possibilities a great deal since so many aircraft of the period ended up there during the civil war.

                          Perhaps a long forgotten prototype that was sold...or one off modification of an established type.
                          Last edited by J Boyle; 27th October 2017, 01:21.
                          There are two sides to every story. The truth is usually somewhere between the two.

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                          • Beermat
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                            #14
                            Viscount, there's more to the Stork Hotel thing - was a bit of a running joke on here a while back - all related to some wild claims about a certain legless pilot. I'll not go into it here.. but if you search the forum you'll find it. I do have Scouse connections, though.
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                            • Flyer
                              Rank 5 Registered User

                              #15
                              Beermat wrote:
                              Cockpit and tail look Russian somehow.
                              No, it is not Russian plane anyway.

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                              • Beermat
                                1 Registered Rank Loser

                                #16
                                Have you something that rules it out?

                                It doesn't 'look' Russian, but I presume you have more to go on than that?
                                Last edited by Beermat; 26th October 2017, 18:01.
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                                It's all good. Probably.

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                                • STRATOSAURUS
                                  Rank 5 Registered User

                                  #17
                                  Perhaps the I.A.R. 24? (I dont see photo of this plane)... Wikipedia says it has spanish Hispano Suiza engine... maybe the plane was in Spain some time... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAR-23

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                                  • civil aero
                                    Rank 5 Registered User

                                    #18
                                    Gee Bee QED II

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                                    • Archer
                                      Innocent bystander

                                      #19
                                      The landing gear configuration looks different on the Gee Bee QED... gear legs are closer together and mounted further back.
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                                      • longshot
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                                        #20
                                        Local customisation of a Northrop Gamma?

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