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  • ianwoodward9
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    • Aug 2010
    • 799

    Oops! Part of one the above images went AWOL. Here's the whole text:
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    • ianwoodward9
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      • Aug 2010
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      I'm not sure if this will work but there should be the text of a 1942 Canadian magazine article about ferrying a Liberator across the Atlantic:. I've had to split the text into two parts in order to upload it here but the original is just one article in one issue of the magazine. I'll cross my fingers that these upload OK>

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      • ianwoodward9
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        • Aug 2010
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        Below are some details from the 'Bryan Priestman Fonds' at the University of New Brunswick ('fonds' is French for 'collection'). They list some flight plans from his service as a navigator with Ferry Command, now held in the university's archive.

        Bryan Priestman went to Cambridge University and, moving to Canada shortly after the First World War, became a lecturer at the University of Saskatchewan, got a PhD at McGill University, became Head of Physics at UNB in 1929 and enlisted in the RCAF in 1940. After time with the First Army Cooperation Squadron and at Headquarters in London, he later transferred to the Atlantic Ferry Command as a navigator, rising to the rank of Squadron Leader. Discharged in September 1945, he returned to UNB but died in November 1945, attempting to rescue a drowning boy from the St. John River.

        He gets a brief mention in Carl Christie's "OCEAN BRIDGE" book as one of three RCAF navigators assigned to train TCA navigators in preparation for the Canadian government's wartime transatlantic service, though it notes that he returned to Ferry Command sooner than the other two.

        The 'Flight Plans' listed in the document posted below include flights using AL590 and AL593, two BOAC Liberators, as well as ferried aircraft.

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        • ianwoodward9
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          • Aug 2010
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          Something a little different - an envelope sent from Gander to the UK. Newfoundland, of course, was not part of Canada at the time, hence the Newfoundland stamps

          It looks to me as if the censor sent this envelope to himself (or perhaps a close relative) at his UK address. I'm not sure what the protocol was in this regard but, if I am right, then it seems a touch irregular. I was tempted to suggest that the envelope was the work of a philatelist, particularly as the handstamp was so crisp and neatly applied, but the stamps were affixed rather randomly, which suggests not.
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          • ianwoodward9
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            • Aug 2010
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            Getting back onto track, this photograph was published in a Canadian newspaper towards the end of September 1941 and was described as one of the first photos of the Atlantic ferry service. The caption says that the B-24 / Liberator is being refuelled at "Newfoundland Airport". The serial number appears to be AM918, which was one of Libs allocated to the ferry service. If the photo has been republished subsequently, maybe this can be confirmed.
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            • ianwoodward9
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              • Aug 2010
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              The photograph in Post # 285 was one of three published in September 1941. They appeared again in July 1942, together with a fourth which depicts a Liberator taking off from Dorval [below]. All four photos (the other two relate to Hudsons) were credited to the same agency, so it is possible that this fourth one is also from 1941, rather then 1942.
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              • ianwoodward9
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                • Aug 2010
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                These are three of the photographs accompanying the article in Post # 282 ("Bomber Ferry" from April 1942) :-
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                • ianwoodward9
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                  • Aug 2010
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                  Here's the other one:
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                  • ianwoodward9
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                    • Aug 2010
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                    Thus is a July 1941 report on the Atlantic Ferry service. It comes from an American newspaper that went by the rather splendid name of the PALLADIUM-ITEM.
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                    • robstitt
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                      • Jan 2000
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                      Ian:

                      I've not watched this yet but it may be of interest, made by ferry pilot Bill VanDerKloot's son: https://vimeo.com/ondemand/secretsky

                      Robert:

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                      • ianwoodward9
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                        • Aug 2010
                        • 799

                        Robert,

                        Thanks for the link. I saw this on TV some time back, maybe on the PBS America channel. Maybe they'll repeat it sometime. It's certainly of interest and well worth seeking out. I seem to recall that a fair part of it was about VanDerKloot flying Churchill to various conferences and other meetings here and there. I also seem to recall trying to find it on DVD around the time it was shown on TV but it was only available as a Region 1 disc.

                        Thanks again.


                        Ian

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                        • longshot
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                          • Aug 2008
                          • 1654

                          It's not available in the UK on that Vimeo link...I looked on Youtube searching 'Ferry Command' but there only seem to be trailers for it though plenty of other Ferry Command film. This silent one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfSysf2TEA0 has a less common British type taking off at 3.28 but is otherwise just a mish-mash at Prestwick

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                          • ianwoodward9
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                            • Aug 2010
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                            Great bit of footage, longshot. While a few brief seconds here and there looked familiar (perhaps more than one newsreel film crew was there then), that was new to me.

                            AL636 was delivered to Prestwick on 20 May 1942, which could well suggest the time-frame for the filming, though it looks as though it stayed at Prestwick for over 3 months for modifications, so that sequence could have been staged any time over that summer. I can fairly comment that, having lived less than a mile from Prestwick airport for a number of years, some of the weather in the film is not unknown in summer there but it does look more autumnal than that in places..

                            Thanks for posting it.
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                            • ianwoodward9
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                              • Aug 2010
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                              When I checked, there was a bit more familiar footage than I had remembered. Here's the Path News version, shorter than the Brtish Movietone newsreel but with a soundtrack:

                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAGDxzC71-Y

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                              • longshot
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                                • Aug 2008
                                • 1654

                                The Vanderkloot video seems to be available from Amazon prime for a $2.99 48hr rental....nobody has had a go at identifying the British type at 3.28 in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfSysf2TEA0 :-)

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                                • ianwoodward9
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                                  • Aug 2010
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                                  I've been out visiting since just after I posted the Pathe News newsreel but I got a couple of stills of the aircraft in question from the film. They're down below.

                                  At 5.35 - 5.37, it looks like the same aircraft appears crossing right to left, as seen from inside the the tower.
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                                  • Graham Boak
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                                    • Nov 2008
                                    • 949

                                    Blackburn Botha

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                                    • ianwoodward9
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                                      • Aug 2010
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                                      What is that white or bright panel on the rear fuselage, aft of the roundel? The interior shot from the tower shows the Botha flying right to left, which is likely to be from south-east to north-west (roughly) at Prestwick. Maybe, it is a reflection of the sun. Did any Bothas have anything, or get fitted with anything, in that position that might reflect the sun?

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                                      • Lazy8
                                        Adrian Constable
                                        • Apr 2012
                                        • 560

                                        Many of the Bothas (and other aircraft) on second line duties had numeric aircraft numbers, usually applied in white, rather than more 'conventional' squadron codes. I think that might be what we're looking at.

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                                        • ianwoodward9
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                                          • Aug 2010
                                          • 799

                                          That sounds very likely to me. I wonder if any photos of Bothas marked in this way exist. And which unit would be operating a Botha thus marked and likely to be flying in, out and/or around Prestwick in 1942, I wonder?

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