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By: - 15th December 2016 at 11:46 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The full scale (FSM) Lysander 'V9785 MA-J' was built by Shoot Aviation at White Waltham at looked very realistic
By: - 15th December 2016 at 12:41 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I thought it was built by Gateguards - or was their example used in a different production? See this link for detailed illustrations of the superb outcome:
http://www.gateguardsuk.com/special-operations-lysander/4162221
By: - 15th December 2016 at 12:44 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Suppose I had better reword that then (was with Shoot Aviation)!
By: - 15th December 2016 at 12:52 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I thought it was build by Gate Guards UK?
Edit: nevermind :)
By: - 15th December 2016 at 13:53 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Where is it now?
By: - 15th December 2016 at 14:03 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Thanks for the info and link to Gate Guards website most interesting.
By: - 15th December 2016 at 16:39 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I can state 100% that the Lysander was indeed built by Gateguards at Newquay.
Martin
By: - 15th December 2016 at 17:22 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Let's hope it finds it's way into a museum :)
By: - 15th December 2016 at 20:28 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
That is an impressive replica, although the main wheels look too small to me. I wonder why they did not use the one at Shuttleworth?
Steve
By: - 15th December 2016 at 22:09 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
That is an impressive replica, although the main wheels look too small to me. I wonder why they did not use the one at Shuttleworth?Steve
The airframe was built using drawings, plans and countless photos and with wonderful assistance from ARC at Duxford. The wheels were the closest that could be find in size to the real thing, otherwise they wouldn't have fitted the spats. The Lysander had to be taxiied over a ploughed field at 30mph and it was believe I deemed too much of a risk to use such a valuable machine as the airworthy example. Even though the replica cost a considerable amount of money (as all do), it was thought to be the safer option.
Martin
By: - 16th December 2016 at 04:20 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Thanks Martin, that does make sense.
Steve
By: - 16th December 2016 at 09:31 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Mention has been made of using Shuttleworth's Lysander, I would guess that filming schedules would mean that guaranteeing the Shuttleworth aircraft being available could have been an issue, especially in February.
Question for Martin. Can you explain the method of power for the replica, having seen the film I had assumed it had a small motor to turn the propeller and was simply towed across the grass. It sounds a lot more complex.
Also assume as a film prop it was designed from the start to be easily transportable, but how durable is the structure and its outer covering, I am thinking about its long term reuse or preservation ?
Sorry for so many questions.
By: - 16th December 2016 at 10:24 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Let's hope it finds it's way into a museum :)
And undercover as well.
I can think of a couple of UK museums to whom its loan would be appropriate as they have connections with Lysander operations but no Lysander on display.
By: - 16th December 2016 at 11:07 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Mention has been made of using Shuttleworth's Lysander, I would guess that filming schedules would mean that guaranteeing the Shuttleworth aircraft being available could have been an issue, especially in February.Question for Martin. Can you explain the method of power for the replica, having seen the film I had assumed it had a small motor to turn the propeller and was simply towed across the grass. It sounds a lot more complex.
Also assume as a film prop it was designed from the start to be easily transportable, but how durable is the structure and its outer covering, I am thinking about its long term reuse or preservation ?Sorry for so many questions.
No problem at all. Have been and spoken to the engineers involved (as it was before my time) and the airframe was made to be transported in three parts. Everything was built as close as it could be to the real thing, with panels and items borrowed from ARC. All wings and fuselage structures were built to the original specifications with work farmed out to various general aviation companies for the wings and fuselages to be covered. In all instances it was built to replicate a Lysander and that is what it did. It is believed that someone from the film company bought the airframe after the completion of filming.
As to the power that was run using a small electric motor and was just meant for static shots. I believe that the airframe was incapable of moving under its own power.
Martin
By: - 16th January 2017 at 10:35 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I saw the film yesterday and was suitably impressed by the aviation side of things, even the He-177 bit.
By: - 16th January 2017 at 14:40 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The FSM Lysander is currently for sale through an aviation brokers website, Price on Application.
FB
By: - 20th January 2017 at 23:15 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I finally got to see this film yesterday and thought it was an absolutely dreadful movie. In fact I can't think of one nice thing to say about any aspect of it so I should probably stop now. It did raise the public profile of Lysanders I suppose, there one good thing. All I can draw from this experience is that modern filmmakers have lost the ability to make war movies, this does not bode well for Dunkirk.
Steve
By: - 21st January 2017 at 14:38 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
All I can draw from this experience is that modern filmmakers have lost the ability to make war movies, this does not bode well for Dunkirk.
Indeed.
The stills from set of the filming of the 'new' Dunkirk is enough to put me off seeing it.
But, the reason these modern filmmakers want to make these films today, isn't the same as the filmmakers making 'war films' in years gone by.
By: - 21st January 2017 at 15:31 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Modern film makers? The director is 64 years old Robert Zemeckis who has been making movies since the 70s.
By: - 21st January 2017 at 17:18 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Surely it depends who's involved. I think Steve (Spielberg) or Ron (Howard) Could make a decent fist of it!
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By: CADman - 15th December 2016 at 11:17
Watched the film Allied and just wanted to comment on the aviation content.
If you want to read the story line Google will provide several film reviews.
No 'real' aircraft appear in the film but several scenes are based around an airfield populated by CGI Lancasters and Lysanders.
However one full scale mockup (FSM) Lysander does appear several times serial V9875. From the film this looks quiet good and is seen moving under its own power with prop rotating, but that could easily be film trickery. So the question is who owns the FSM and where is it ?
My own searches have found that V9875 is actually on the BAPC register as BAPC371 There is also a tweet from somebody at Shirburn Castle (?) showing a photo of the the Lysander FSM, although they seemed more interested in the fact that Brad Pitt was there as well.