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    #81
    Theres far too much money being invested for that to be the case! I think intentions have been made clear and all this work is leading to that end.

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      #82
      Great video, and thanks for sharing. It is great to see the work being recorded too.

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        #83
        The gents doing the work also work on many of the airliners you fly in so if you're concerned ...
        Structural repair work is something of a specialist skill, and being so is not a task that is undertaken every day by tradesmen. What I have seen in the video posted is not the correct way to remove rivets. Only the head should be drilled off. Drilling all the way through (as in the video) is also inparting a twist and thus making an oval hole.

        I am not going to get into any further discussion because it is not worth trying to argue black v white. However, plenty of discussion (horror stories) online by fellow ‘sheeties’ that make interesting reading regarding the abilities of those who’s day job is working on airplanes when faced with structural repairs.

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          #84
          I've never worked on aircraft, but if I were to be allowed to, unsupervised, would it be correct to firstly find a drill bit that matches the rivet shank (Zeus book handy here) Remove the just the head (it should slide up the bit like a washer) using minimum pressure to avoid distortion, then press out the remainder of the rivet by hand, if it doesn't just drop out. The intention always to maintain as much original metal to the sheet as when it was originally manufactured.

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            #85
            What I was taught at QANTAS as well.Drill off head and lightly punch out tail with pin punch..Great fun doing steel rivets in aluminium spars.
            "If the C.O. ask's you to be Tail End Charlie...just shoot him!!!....A Piece of Cake.
            http://spitfirea58-27.blogspot.com.au/

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              #86
              I'm also interested to learn. Does the recommended technique depend on whether the original skin is going to be re-used on the existing structure, or whether a new skin is going to be fitted to the underlying structure?
              Andy

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                #87
                I have observed many different ways of doing the same job - I was taught to take just the head off, then punch through - but with age and experience comes confidence, and I would be prepared to bet there are few, if any issues with the holes in the underlying structure. I don't think Andrew would be employing these guys if they were wrecking his aeroplane!

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                  #88
                  Ok, can we concentrate again on the fine work on NX611 being done. Perhaps start a new thread regarding how not to do the work to prevent congesting this topic.
                  cheers
                  Cees

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                    #89
                    None of the skins are being reused im afraid due to corrosion, cracks, oversized rivets or all of the above. The trailing edge panels are having the pops replaced with anchor nut channel and screws.
                    The survey last year has given the knowledge about what can be/needs to be saved and what doesnt. We are now in the process of surveying the ribs and structure within the fin and rudder. Sadly by the very nature of the way they have been built there are several 'figure of 8' holes where the ribs have been tack riveted to the trailing edge and then the skin riveted on with the same spacings.
                    Ironically the brand new rudder and fin off the production line is instantly unserviceable!
                    NB The normal method used for the pop rivet removal is to knock out the stem, drill through to enable the head to be removed and then knock out the tail. What we've found is a variety of steel and alluminium stems creating issues and the obligitary spinning pops.

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                      #90
                      Andrew, thanks for that insight. I've no practical experience on aircraft 'metal-bashing', my career was in systems engineering on FBW flight control systems, so it's fascinating to learn about other facets of aircraft build and repair.
                      Andy

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                        #91
                        And still more thanks for the video, fascinating for a novice like me,,

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                          #92
                          Figure of 8 holes = *snowmen*
                          If anybody ever tells you anything about an aeroplane which is so bloody complicated you can't understand it, take it from me: It's all balls. RJM.

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                            #93
                            NB The normal method used for the pop rivet removal is to knock out the stem, drill through to enable the head to be removed and then knock out the tail. What we've found is a variety of steel and alluminium stems creating issues and the obligitary spinning pops.
                            Until the yanks developed Cherry Max,s..Ggggrrrrr.
                            "If the C.O. ask's you to be Tail End Charlie...just shoot him!!!....A Piece of Cake.
                            http://spitfirea58-27.blogspot.com.au/

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                              #94
                              Cherry's are a pain in the rear end to remove that is for sure.

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                                #95
                                I do hope we can look forward to some more of this in video, I have watched it a couple of times and it really lets you know where the restoration sits and the obvious time factors with only over winter works so she can finance her own rebuild with taxi rides
                                SMOKE SMOKE GO!
                                TA out

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                                  #96
                                  Hi All,
                                  mmitch - Many thanks for the video very interesting to see just what state Jane is actually in and it also makes people like myself appreciate the
                                  difficulties in getting warbirds like Jane back in the air even more...

                                  Andrew - Your doing your family proud and congratulations to you and the team from the bottom to the top.....

                                  Geoff.

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                                    #97
                                    I have embedded the video posted by 'OXCART' into this thread for continuity

                                    SMOKE SMOKE GO!
                                    TA out

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                                      #98
                                      What a brilliant informative video. Thanks for posting.

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                                        #99
                                        Thanks for posting this. These are the restoration tours we do each winter. They are free with your admission and free if you're a member.

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                                          "The CAA are not interested in having ten years worth of paperwork plopped on their desk, and us saying "right, we're ready to go flying now!""

                                          That bit cracked me up. Looks like you folks are doing a top notch job.

                                          All best.

                                          Andy

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