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  • DangerM
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Dec 2015
    • 15

    Spitfire and Helicopter ground collision at Headcorn?

    Went to Headcorn as Aero Legends were advertising Spitfire fly-in flights there today and tomorrow. No Spitfire but spoke to someone in the cafe who told me that Spitfire passenger flights had been stopped from Headcorn because a Spitfire had collided with a helicopter on the runway sometime last week. Anyone know anymore?
  • The Bump
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Nov 2004
    • 819

    #2
    I was there yesterday and heard no mention, unless it's hushed up .

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    • DangerM
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Dec 2015
      • 15

      #3
      Chap in the Cafe was quite adamant, he said that all Spitfire passenger flying was going to be from Sywell until further notice. He said the Spitfires prop had touched the helicopters rear skid, Presumably if that's the case the Spitfire either isn't flying or went to Sywell yesterday and today. Just my luck though, first visit to headcorn to see the Spitfire operation and it wasn't there.

      I wonder how the passengers who bought a flight to fly over the Dover Cliffs feel...

      I guess if its been hushed up we will have to wait to see if an accident report is published before we know if its true or not.

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      • ~Alan~
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Mar 2010
        • 5019

        #4
        Hardly the sort of thing which could be hushed up methinks ?
        Engine Failure:.... A condition which occurs when all fuel tanks mysteriously become filled with air.

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        • Trolly Aux
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • May 2006
          • 3736

          #5
          I did see a Spitfire Sunday pm over Kent near the Detling VOR heading for the coast, to far away to see which or even if a 2 seater.
          Yes I agree, I think any issue would of been on social media within seconds.
          SMOKE SMOKE GO!
          TA out

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          • Fournier Boy
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Mar 2007
            • 1030

            #6
            The original poster is correct. Confirmed by somebody from Headcorn, occurred during landing rollout/taxi. Am surprised people think if an incident happens, it needs to appear here, and anything that doesn't is hushed up.

            FB

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            • scotavia
              scotavia
              • Nov 2005
              • 2753

              #7
              Most incidents reach the internet eventually just as this one has, will be interesting to see the report when published.

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              • Bradburger
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Jan 2000
                • 1449

                #8
                Originally posted by scotavia View Post
                Most incidents reach the internet eventually just as this one has, will be interesting to see the report when published.
                The AAIB report into the incident has been now been published: -

                https://www.gov.uk/aaib-reports/aaib...ire-ixt-g-ccca

                Cheers

                Paul
                The most usless commodity in aerobatics is the amount of sky above you!

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                • D1566
                  Needs retiring.
                  • Apr 2006
                  • 2112

                  #9
                  A hairsbreadth away ...
                  Martin

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                  • Archer
                    Innocent bystander
                    • Nov 2003
                    • 1706

                    #10
                    I hope they sent the bill for a new prop blade to the helicopter pilot!
                    A Little VC10derness - A Tribute to the Vickers VC10 - www.VC10.net

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                    • aeronut 2008
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Jan 2008
                      • 1562

                      #11
                      I read the report and thought "what a numpty" closely followed by "there but for the grace of God" remembering some of the close calls I've had.

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                      • Sopwith
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 1496

                        #12
                        Well thankfully it was nowhere near as bad as it could have been.

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                        • Trolly Aux
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • May 2006
                          • 3736

                          #13
                          I would not of wanted to wash the Spit pilots underwear that night
                          SMOKE SMOKE GO!
                          TA out

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                          • scotavia
                            scotavia
                            • Nov 2005
                            • 2753

                            #14
                            Noteworthy regarding Headcorn ops....
                            " Easy to get to and welcoming, the airfield with it's air ground radio means that flight all decisions are made by the pilot making him a better and more independent captain early on in his or her training."

                            So you have an air ground radio service manned by an AFISO not an air traffic controller. I have flown into and out of an AFISO manned airfield and have also qualified as an AFISO. The airmanship standard varies greatly and those using an AFISO manned or unmanned airfield need to develop eyes in the back of their head. This absence of control certainly contributed to this near fatal accident.A controller would have issued a clearance to cross BEHIND the landing aircraft once visual contact was confirmed. There are occasions when a landing roll turns into a roller so crossing low in front is not safe.

                            My own near miss came at Perth (Air Ground) when a Jodel departed via a reporting point as we arrived inbound at the same location .I was crew not pilot in command.

                            Pilots need to be aware that they are equally entitled to ask on the radio if uncertain of others height and location.
                            Last edited by scotavia; 13th January 2017, 16:33.

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                            • ZRX61
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • May 2005
                              • 4719

                              #15
                              R44 pilot states that he didn't feel any contact, but earlier in the report states that both he & the passenger felt a bump, so which is it? R44 pilot states he stopped, witnesses state he didn't...
                              Last edited by ZRX61; 18th January 2017, 19:05.
                              If anybody ever tells you anything about an aeroplane which is so bloody complicated you can't understand it, take it from me: It's all balls. RJM.

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                              • K5054NZ
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • May 2008
                                • 1125

                                #16
                                Originally posted by ZRX61 View Post
                                R44 pilot states that he didn't feel any contact, but earlier in the report states that both he & the passenger felt a bump, so which is it?
                                My emphasis in each.
                                70, synopsis:
                                The propeller of the Spitfire contacted the empennage of the helicopter but neither pilot was aware there had been contact, although a bump was felt in the R44.
                                71, para 5:
                                As they crossed the runway, the pilot and passenger both heard a noise and the passenger felt a slight bump.
                                72, last para:
                                As he crossed Runway 28, he heard a whooshing noise but did not feel any contact.
                                "those who know keep quiet, and those who don't are frowned upon for asking." - snafu

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                                • ZRX61
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • May 2005
                                  • 4719

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by K5054NZ View Post
                                  My emphasis in each.
                                  70, synopsis:

                                  71, para 5:

                                  72, last para:
                                  Must have been a very dense, very low level, loud cloud
                                  If anybody ever tells you anything about an aeroplane which is so bloody complicated you can't understand it, take it from me: It's all balls. RJM.

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