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By: 27th April 2015 at 11:49 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-According to the latest issue of Aeroplane Monthly, which has pictures of the Martin Maryland survivor, it seems that the RAFM has so far declined to become involved in any recovery attempt. Presumably their lack of interest is predicated by the current outcome of the other attempted recovery to Britain of another Desert Air Force survivor.Shame they spent so much money on the Do17 collander - perhaps they could get wargaming.net to sponsor the Maryland recovery as well
For such a short post , you have fitted in a lot of presumption and disdain:rolleyes:
By: 27th April 2015 at 12:00 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-I believe the article states that it's a little too hot (politically) in that area. A bit like this forum...
By: 27th April 2015 at 14:18 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Discussion off to a good start then..........................
By: 27th April 2015 at 14:23 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-It also mentions that it would be a difficult job to reconstruct the missing outer wings and tail section. It looks much more complete than I had expected from initial descriptions. I do hope someone can salvage it in due course.
By: 27th April 2015 at 15:35 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-seems that the RAFM has so far declined to become involved in any recovery attempt
Probably because they only have one shipping container and that is presently full and missing :p
By: 27th April 2015 at 15:44 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Seems like it is too difficult these days to get an interesting and useful topic upon historic aircraft. Pity really.
Come on, a Maryland!that should not be too difficult to get an interesting string of information without the B... And S..... words included?
Anyone?
By: 27th April 2015 at 16:32 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-my point is that individual aircraft recoveries should not necessarliy be viewed in isolation as outcomes may have a bearing on future recoveries. It seems to me that had the other desert recovery have been bought to the intended conclusion, then the museum may have been more open to an attempt to recover the Maryland - as a memorial to the men and exploits of the Desert Air Force in general and to Adrian Warburton in particular - which by association also commemorates all the RAF pilots who were based in Malta.
Whilstever the other recovery remains in limbo, I can't imagine that the Museum's trustees would even countenance another desrt recovery/
Given that Spitfires and Stirlings (or substantial parts thereof) can be built from scratch, I would have thought that the recreation of the missing parts was not beyond the wit of man. Incidentally in the pictures there appear to be buildings - or are they the tents of the Italian team?
And yes - I would have preferred if the resources used to recover the airframe from the Goodwin Sands had been used by a museum with RAF in it's title to recover a previously extinct aircraft type used by the RAF in the early/mid-war period. No disdain in that.
By: 27th April 2015 at 16:41 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-You have to remember that Adrian Warburton doesn't fit in to the establishment's politically "correct " mould of an RAF "hero".
(O.K. , Yes, My father knew him in Malta)
By: 27th April 2015 at 19:26 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Instead of these oh-so-smart wisecracks, does anyone have any hard information about this? Photos? Location? Condition?
Sounds like a significant discovery that should be treated as such.
By: 27th April 2015 at 19:30 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-It's in the news pages of the latest Aeroplane Monthly markb, no precise location given but there are a couple of pictures.
By: 27th April 2015 at 21:09 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Thanks Ant, shame the overlords at Key Publishing couldn't drop the pic in to the mix here. Doubt it would cause sales of Aeroplane Monthly to dry up!
By: 27th April 2015 at 22:59 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-It's in the news pages of the latest Aeroplane Monthly markb, no precise location given but there are a couple of pictures.
A broad hint at location even?
By: 27th April 2015 at 23:08 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-To those of us who are nowhere near a branch of WH Smith during the day, can anybody shed any specifics? I'm trusting the Maryland is considered an extinct species but some wreckage turned up somewhere and has become a hot potato?
By: 27th April 2015 at 23:10 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Well they would be stupid to post its location until secured, it does make one wonder though, the last known survivor of a type we used, yet they recover a Dornier which we didn't. Though that is not to besmirch the fine efforts in raising and preserving that.
By: 28th April 2015 at 04:40 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Jeepman- Until you know the facts (which you won't), perhaps put a lid on the 'it seems' and your freely flowing 'assumptions'
By: 28th April 2015 at 10:49 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Some years ago I was trawling the Net , I think I was looking for information or pictures of DHC Chipmonks and I am sure I came up with a picture of one somewhere in North Africa and there on the edge of the same apron was the hulk of a Maryland in much the same condition as this one is described as being in .
By: 28th April 2015 at 14:07 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-Some years ago I was trawling the Net , I think I was looking for information or pictures of DHC Chipmonks and I am sure I came up with a picture of one somewhere in North Africa and there on the edge of the same apron was the hulk of a Maryland in much the same condition as this one is described as being in .
I can't speak Russion but a bit of googling came up with this Russian Scale model site which has two photos of a Maryland wreck. I've read elsewhere that this wreck has been known about for some time.
http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/img_778879_1353959634_283.jpg.html
http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/img_778879_1353959666_raf1.jpg.html
By: 28th April 2015 at 14:31 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-There are rumoured to be a number of fairly substantial Maryland wrecks lying in the depths of the Libyan desert. Given the situation in Libya, I'm not surprised that there is no appetite to go looking for them at the moment.
I don't see any correlation between any potential recovery of this wreck and the Do17. The latter was thought to be much better than it turned out to be, and was worth the risk given its rarity. Hindsight is rarely very much use.
By: 1st May 2015 at 18:00 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-I do wonder if people would be concerned that resources were wasted dragging the Maryland out of the depths of the African desert instead of raising the Do17. Damned if you do...
I found Aeroplane Monthly today and saw the pictures. It looks surprisingly substantial and not what I was anticipating. It does make you wonder if there are more. A techy person could write a programme that combs through satellite imagery feeds and detects differences in adjacent pixels that follow certain trends, and could get this programme to return pixels that conform with the outline of a Maryland. I doubt it would work especially well, but it is an idea I've had more than once before for other missing aircraft.
The one in the magazine could well be this one;
By: 1st May 2015 at 19:22 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
-The one in the magazine has a very unusual fairing over the upper gun turret position, would that have been added to what is aleady a wreck?
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By: jeepman - 27th April 2015 at 11:31
According to the latest issue of Aeroplane Monthly, which has pictures of the Martin Maryland survivor, it seems that the RAFM has so far declined to become involved in any recovery attempt. Presumably their lack of interest is predicated by the current outcome of the other attempted recovery to Britain of another Desert Air Force survivor.
Shame they spent so much money on the Do17 collander - perhaps they could get wargaming.net to sponsor the Maryland recovery as well