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  • bleeming
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Apr 2010
    • 98

    #21
    I was on " Eagle " with 804 Squadron, Seahawks, in 1954-55 and have quite a few photos of this era. " Winkle " Brown was our CO. I will see if I can post photos of this time. 802 also Seahawks, 813 Wyverns, 849 Gannets, 845 Whirwinds.

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    • mike currill
      Big pistons rule
      • Jul 2003
      • 8791

      #22
      Cracking photos. Thanks for sharing them. Love the Bucc being thrown into the air.
      The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its original size.

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      • Moggy C
        Moderator
        • Jan 2000
        • 20534

        #23
        I met up last week with a guy who had been the Nav on Sea Vixen.

        He really wasn't very complimentary about 'the coal hole'

        Surprisingly it seemed the pilots never showed much in the way of sympathy for the poor sod stuck in there.

        Who dreamed that one up?

        Moggy
        "What you must remember" Flip said "is that nine-tenths of Cattermole's charm lies beneath the surface." Many agreed.

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        • mike currill
          Big pistons rule
          • Jul 2003
          • 8791

          #24
          More importantly who had the stupid idea that the nav's window had to be blanked out so that he couldn't cheat on his navigation. It was down by his right knee for goodness sake, he'd have to have been a contortionist to see out of it and at the speed they'd have been travelling it would have been little use anyway.
          The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its original size.

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          • sandiego89
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Feb 2008
            • 354

            #25
            k, or face burried in
            Originally posted by Moggy C View Post
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            Who dreamed that one up?
            I believe there was some truth that the early radar scopes gave poor resolution (tough to see) in sun light, so it was deemed appropriate to have the Nav in a dark space, or have a hood over the radar scope that the Nav could peer into. So either in the dark, or face burried in the hood. I am sure the nav would much rather have a good view for the the 90+% of the time they were not peering into the scope

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            • Moggy C
              Moderator
              • Jan 2000
              • 20534

              #26
              Yes indeed, that was the gist of my conversation with Stan.

              Moggy
              "What you must remember" Flip said "is that nine-tenths of Cattermole's charm lies beneath the surface." Many agreed.

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              • Wyvernfan
                wyvernfan@gmail.com
                • Oct 2007
                • 5886

                #27
                Originally posted by bleeming View Post
                I was on " Eagle " with 804 Squadron, Seahawks, in 1954-55 and have quite a few photos of this era. " Winkle " Brown was our CO. I will see if I can post photos of this time. 802 also Seahawks, 813 Wyverns, 849 Gannets, 845 Whirwinds.
                As I've said before, bleeming, a photographic contribution from yourself would be very welcome (especially of Wyverns )


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                • alertken
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Dec 2005
                  • 892

                  #28
                  Gerry R #14 - anti-carrier Labour Govt.

                  Wilson's (HW) lot got in 16/10/64, same day as China's A-Test. Inherited RN Plan was: 52 F-4K for Victorious/Ark/Eagle; to be replaced by CVAs (V from 1972, R, 1977, J 1984-ish). 30 Buccaneer S.2 were on order, more sought; 23 Red Beard Mk.2 A-Bombs on hand, Improved Kiloton Bomb in development (to be WE.177A). 5 SSBNs Planned, possibly to include Indian O. patrols.

                  India's PM Shastri visited HW 3/12/64 as part of a wide foray seeking a nuclear Guarantee against China. HW visited LBJ 8/12/64 to ease Defence Budget: HW deflected US lures to enter SE.Asia; did agree to remain in SEATO and to retain UK's nuclear contribution (which then was 45 Sqd/Tengah (Red Beard) and a CV (Scimitar or Buccaneer S.1/Red Beard) normally available on FE Station). LBJ offered the credit package which led to F-4M, C-130K and Option F-111K.

                  6/4/65, he chopped TSR.2 and took 40 strike F-111K on option for NEAF/FEAF with the Improved Kiloton Bomb. 17/5/65, he initiated AFVG/RN, 10/65 bought 17 more Buccaneer S.2s, all for the CVAs.

                  India abandoned notions of friends' nuclear umbrella and embarked on the process where today she has a blue water nuclear Power Projection capability. HW continued to permit RN to explore Indian O. patrols for 1 of the 4 confirmed SSBNs (that lingered into 1968).

                  Parlous UK finances caused CVA/AFVG/RN chop 22/2/66; he ordered 30 more Buccaneer S.2 4/66 and soon 66 WE.177A (maybe 30 for the Buccs, the others as NDBs). So thus it was as Eagle began its FE Commission of this thread (8/67 - 6/68). China fired its H-Bomb 17/7/67. Money, again, caused F-111K chop 1/68, announcement of UK withdrawal from East of Suez by 1971; reduction of CV to 1, which settled on R to avoid J refit for F-4K.

                  Wilson's lot were neither anti-carrier nor anti-help to SEATO (1965 Defence White Paper: "nuclear policy must help to provide some reassurance to out-of-Nato-area non-nuclear Powers"). They were broke.

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                  • AgCat
                    Rank 5 Registered User
                    • Aug 2004
                    • 416

                    #29
                    Hi AK: That is a most useful summary of events. Thanks.

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                    • Bager1968
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • May 2005
                      • 3635

                      #30
                      Everything I've read was that V would still have been operating Sea Vixens upon replacement in 1972, as she simply would not have been able to be sufficiently modified for Phantoms (insufficient room for catapults of sufficient length, etc).
                      Germany, Austria and Italy are standing together in the middle of the pub, when Serbia bumps into Austria, and spills Austria's pint.

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                      • slicer
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Jul 2003
                        • 664

                        #31
                        Wonderful photographs. They bring back memories of reading my father's eagerly awaited issues of Flight Deck. Shiny paper and beautiful pictures. He also served with 703 Trials Squadron at Ford on Attackers,re the interesting if indistinct photo in this thread.

                        Looking critically at the Sea Vixen/condensation flash picture makes me think it may be a montage or photoshopped. It doesn't quite hang together.
                        Last edited by slicer; 16th February 2015, 15:07.

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