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  • jeepman
    infrequent poster now
    • Apr 2004
    • 1986

    Churchill's Funeral

    Just been watching the Paxo programme on Churchill's funeral which I remember watching sitting on a footstool at my grandparents. I remember the cranes dipping - but apparently it certainly wasn't as spontaneous as it seemed.

    It was said that a lone Spitfire flew over Bladon churchyard at the tme of his interrment. Can anybody hazard a guess as to which one it was - there can't have been many airworthy at the time - given it was some years before the BoB film
    JM
  • minimans
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Oct 2009
    • 398

    #2
    Don't know about the spitfire but I remember as a 9 year old boy watching his funeral train pass my house in Putney the line ran passed the bottom of our garden.

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    • Seagull 128
      Rank 2 Registered User
      • Jun 2010
      • 2

      #3
      If I remember correctly it was Hawker's Hurricane flown by Bill Bedford. It was Chartwell not Bladon.
      Could there be two events?

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      • ~Alan~
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Mar 2010
        • 5021

        #4
        I'd hazard a guess that there were four (UK) Spitfires flying in 1965, all belonging to the RAF ?
        Engine Failure:.... A condition which occurs when all fuel tanks mysteriously become filled with air.

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        • Moggy C
          Moderator
          • Jan 2000
          • 20534

          #5
          I seem to recall G-AIDN being on the civil register at that time. (i.e. In my Ian Allen Spotters book!)

          Moggy
          "What you must remember" Flip said "is that nine-tenths of Cattermole's charm lies beneath the surface." Many agreed.

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          • Planemike
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Dec 2007
            • 1810

            #6
            Originally posted by Seagull 128 View Post
            If I remember correctly it was Hawker's Hurricane flown by Bill Bedford. It was Chartwell not Bladon. Could there be two events?
            Two events, methinks.

            Most likely candidate for the Spitfire at Bladon would be AB910. Looked like a single seater, also a dark colour.
            MH434 was also around in 1965, flying as G-ASJV.

            The 16 Lightnings flying up the Thames also received a mention.

            Planemike
            Last edited by Planemike; 29th January 2015, 18:26.

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            • ~Alan~
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • Mar 2010
              • 5021

              #7
              Originally posted by Moggy C View Post
              I seem to recall G-AIDN being on the civil register at that time. (i.e. In my Ian Allen Spotters book!)

              Moggy
              Ok, I'll give you that one

              http://glostransporthistory.visit-gl...re_G-AIDN.html
              Engine Failure:.... A condition which occurs when all fuel tanks mysteriously become filled with air.

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              • longshot
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Aug 2008
                • 1676

                #8
                Photographs and footplate memories of the funeral train's journey here http://svsfilm.com/nineelms/wcf.htm

                Waterloo Clapham Junction Putney Richmond Whitton Feltham Staines Virginia Water Reading Oxford Hanborough Station( for Bladon)

                also http://www.nrm.org.uk/PlanaVisit/Eve...e-funeral.aspx
                Last edited by longshot; 29th January 2015, 15:19.

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                • victor tango
                  Rank 4 Registered User
                  • Jul 2014
                  • 107

                  #9
                  Longshot
                  Thank you so much for posting your #8
                  I had no idea it passed through were I live !!

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                  • victor tango
                    Rank 4 Registered User
                    • Jul 2014
                    • 107

                    #10
                    To be fair to Paxman his programme last night was Very good.
                    I was livid when his comments came out about ego etc etc .

                    Watching the programme he repeated those comments near the end, but in a sort of throw away line.

                    This proves how the press pick out comments and expand them completely out of context. everything printed was said, yes.......but bears no resemblance to the whole story.

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                    • G-ORDY
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Mar 2005
                      • 928

                      #11
                      Pretty certain it was AB910 and LF363. I think PZ865/G-AMAU was tucked up at Dunsfold in January 1965, I'll check.
                      Now finished Hawker Hurricane Survivors - published by Grub Street http://grubstreet.co.uk/product/hawk...ane-survivors/

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                      • jim_jobe
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 706

                        #12
                        I remember there was a Shackleton flew along the Thames as well but never found out which one,
                        Jim

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                        • The Navigator
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Oct 2014
                          • 64

                          #13
                          I was 14 years old at the time of Churchill's funeral, I watched on TV at the time & it must have had a big impact on me, because I remembered every detail as if I'd seen it yesterday. I think it's great we we salute the great man again 50 years on, my belief is, he did a job second to none in WW2, I heard some negative mention of him being an imperialist, hardly surprising, he was defending the British Empire!
                          To the best of my knowledge, the Spitfire over Bladon church was AB910 & am I right in thinking that Spitfire G-AIDN was a two seater at one time owned by John Fairey?
                          Regards, Rich.

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                          • Trolly Aux
                            Rank 5 Registered User
                            • May 2006
                            • 3860

                            #14
                            I remember watching it all on TV, for some reason I think it was at school or were we all given the day off?
                            SMOKE SMOKE GO!
                            TA out

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                            • D1566
                              Needs retiring.
                              • Apr 2006
                              • 2127

                              #15
                              http://www.nrm.org.uk/PlanaVisit/Eve...hill/main.aspx
                              Martin

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                              • R6915
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • Jan 2013
                                • 148

                                #16
                                If it was AB910 then it was most probably flown by Jeffrey Quill out of Wisley. It may be possible to have his log books checked would this be useful information for the Forum?

                                As to G-AIDN -the Tr8 two seater, yes it was owned by John (?) Fairey for some years. It was usually kept flown out of RAF Andover airfield. It lost the rear bubble canopy on at least one occasion and I remember seeing a "Have You Seen A ..... on your field or garden" in the local newspaper! I think we are looking forward to seeing it take the air again soon..... this year maybe ???

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                                • Sq/L Scramble.
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Feb 2004
                                  • 482

                                  #17
                                  As it happened: The state funeral of Winston Churchill, January 30, 1965
                                  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wins...1965-live.html
                                  Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth and danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings........

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                                  • G-ORDY
                                    Rank 5 Registered User
                                    • Mar 2005
                                    • 928

                                    #18
                                    I'm sure a recall both a Spitfire and a Hurricane flying over the churchyard, if so then it wasn't PZ865 as she was hangared at Dunsfold, last flight of 1964 was 19 September when Bill Bedford flew her home from a display at Biggin Hill, first flight on 1965 was a one hour CofA test flight on 9 April (Bill Bedford again). I do seem to remember Bill Bedford saying something around the time that he was flying PZ865 near Chartwell (don't know the occasion but he flew it a lot) and he took the opportunity to perform a private flypast, obviously not in January 1965 though.
                                    Now finished Hawker Hurricane Survivors - published by Grub Street http://grubstreet.co.uk/product/hawk...ane-survivors/

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