By: Canopener Al
- 12th December 2014 at 14:35Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The wing fences and the over wing pylons are in the wrong position too. They sit directly over the top of the inner pylons in real life. Who did your drawings?
By: 1batfastard
- 12th December 2014 at 16:51Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Hi All,
Doing some ground work at the top Burton Dasset Hills many years ago and a Jaguar came screaming past my position, because of my elevation he seemed like feet away, but as he banked as he rounded the peak where I was working I swear he waved :stupid: anyway as he banked I could clearly see inside the cockpit best sight and sound and a memory I will never forget. :love-struck:
Peter,
Excellent video those crazy French pilots again . :stupid: :highly_amused:
By: Canopener Al
- 15th December 2014 at 17:50Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Basic errors like the "31st of April 2007", looks like it didn't get a good proof read. Virtually all the drawings have the same photo shop error and photographs that have been credited to non existent people. Stu has multiple images included in the publication without his correct acknowledgement of name (and unlikely his proper permission, they are of XX741 and I was at the events he took the photo's). The usual rubbish about the Maritime Jaguar with its successful carrier trials. The second trial was finished early as the aircraft had fatigue cracks on the fuselage and the French Test Pilots were damming in their reports of the tests (been told that by a British liaison officer that saw the paperwork). It does mention a half decent flight test section stating engine development hindering the airframe, however missing A04s escape from the same accident A03 had (that confirmed the single engine performance), E01s maiden flight was not a 100% success (broke an undercarriage door due to unforeseen aerodynamic effects) and the other aerodynamic issues, other publication point to. Drawings spoil it and too many errors.
New
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By: Mike J
- 15th December 2014 at 17:56Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
So pretty much a typical Kelsey 'bookazine' then. I seem to remember almost identical comments being posted on here about their Vampire effort. The couple of supermarkets around this way that stock it still have a mountain of them on the shelf. None of the regular newsagents seem to have it.
By: WH904
- 15th December 2014 at 23:02Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Mike/Moggy - I'm quite sure that no supermarket has a "mountain" of any magazine edition. Distribution doesn't work like that. If you don't happen to like the Kelsey/Key bookazines, then perhaps you might like to explain why? I'm sure that we'd all be more than willing to respond to views and criticism, but oblique comments that infer criticism (but say nothing of any value) don't help you or us.
As for Canopener's posts, I'm not quite sure what he's trying to say. I'm quite sure there are mistakes here and there, but then there are always mistakes in every book and every magazine on every subject. The best that one can do is to work hard to avoid them. In the case of the Jaguar edition, I wrote the material myself and I worked hard to create an interesting and readable account of the Jaguar within the space available. I think we produced a very good publication (which has been very well received) but if it wasn't as good as he expected, then I'm sorry that he was disappointed.
But I would of course appreciate any thoughts from readers, as the Icons series can only continue to improve if we have a better understanding of precisely what readers want to see - or don't want to see.
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By: Mike J
- 26th December 2014 at 09:15Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I'm not driving to Hatfield for a magazine!!! :D
The mountain of copies in Tesco in Cambridge has vanished now Bob, to be replaced with copies of the Inter-War Bombers bookazine. Better get a copy of the Jaguar one quick, before they're all pulped, as nowhere seems to have them on sale now.
By: WH904
- 29th December 2014 at 23:08Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The mountain of copies in Tesco in Cambridge has vanished
Good to hear - must have sold very quickly then if they've already gone :)
We're still trying to sort-out the circulation on the Jaguar issue - Tescos seem to have beaten WH Smiths hands down. It's a mystery why this has happened though but hopefully all will be sorted before the next Icons edition goes on sale in a couple of weeks or so :)
By: Bob
- 5th May 2015 at 10:56Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Well, finally managed to find a copy - in my local garden centre!
No printing flaws in the copy I got. Found it an interesting read (aside from the occasional typo - proof reader needs to work harder ;) ) with the underhand 'politics' of the venture between BAC and Breguet/Dassault, and I hadn't been aware that the IAF was still using the Jaguar, so at least I learned something new from my investment.
Sad to think the Indians still operate the Sea Harrier AND Jaguar yet we barely have an air force these days and the Harrier 'replacement' is turning into another defence procurement farce.
Always had a soft spot for the Jag - don't know what sets it apart from other military jets - it just looks right...
Anyway, a better read than the Cold War Warriors bookazine IMO.
By: WH904
- 7th May 2015 at 17:27Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Glad you liked it. The typo problem is being addressed and we've already improved things since the Jaguar issue. We've also sorted-out the print problems. Distribution still seems to be a bit mixed though, so if anyone still finds it difficult to get copies of the Icons series, do say so. The next edition in the series is out in a few days and we're already working on the one after that - which is probably my favourite aeroplane, so I'm enjoying the research :)
By: Mark Johnston
- 9th May 2015 at 14:45Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Glad you liked it. The typo problem is being addressed and we've already improved things since the Jaguar issue. We've also sorted-out the print problems. Distribution still seems to be a bit mixed though, so if anyone still finds it difficult to get copies of the Icons series, do say so. The next edition in the series is out in a few days and we're already working on the one after that - which is probably my favourite aeroplane, so I'm enjoying the research :)
I ordered six copies of the Jag issue when it was first published and only one was delivered - I was told the rest were back ordered. Any chance I'll be seeing those?
By: WH904
- 9th May 2015 at 15:19Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
If the order was made with Key Publishing, I would advise you to contact the supplier directly as that sounds like a mistake to me - I can't see why there would have been a delay of that length
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By: Jack Ruskin - 12th December 2014 at 11:40 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Haven't seen any yet in Devon.
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By: Bob - 12th December 2014 at 13:18 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
As rare as hen's teeth, like rocking horse pooh, still haven't found one...
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By: Oxcart - 12th December 2014 at 13:49 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Saw a pile in Tescos Hatfield yesterday
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By: Canopener Al - 12th December 2014 at 14:35 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The wing fences and the over wing pylons are in the wrong position too. They sit directly over the top of the inner pylons in real life. Who did your drawings?
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By: Bob - 12th December 2014 at 14:46 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I'm not driving to Hatfield for a magazine!!! :D
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By: Peter - 12th December 2014 at 16:01 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Brilliant close formation work here....
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By: 1batfastard - 12th December 2014 at 16:51 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Hi All,
Doing some ground work at the top Burton Dasset Hills many years ago and a Jaguar came screaming past my position, because of my elevation he seemed like feet away, but as he banked as he rounded the peak where I was working I swear he waved :stupid: anyway as he banked I could clearly see inside the cockpit best sight and sound and a memory I will never forget. :love-struck:
Peter,
Excellent video those crazy French pilots again . :stupid: :highly_amused:
Geoff.
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By: Canopener Al - 15th December 2014 at 17:50 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Basic errors like the "31st of April 2007", looks like it didn't get a good proof read. Virtually all the drawings have the same photo shop error and photographs that have been credited to non existent people. Stu has multiple images included in the publication without his correct acknowledgement of name (and unlikely his proper permission, they are of XX741 and I was at the events he took the photo's). The usual rubbish about the Maritime Jaguar with its successful carrier trials. The second trial was finished early as the aircraft had fatigue cracks on the fuselage and the French Test Pilots were damming in their reports of the tests (been told that by a British liaison officer that saw the paperwork). It does mention a half decent flight test section stating engine development hindering the airframe, however missing A04s escape from the same accident A03 had (that confirmed the single engine performance), E01s maiden flight was not a 100% success (broke an undercarriage door due to unforeseen aerodynamic effects) and the other aerodynamic issues, other publication point to. Drawings spoil it and too many errors.
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By: Mike J - 15th December 2014 at 17:56 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
So pretty much a typical Kelsey 'bookazine' then. I seem to remember almost identical comments being posted on here about their Vampire effort. The couple of supermarkets around this way that stock it still have a mountain of them on the shelf. None of the regular newsagents seem to have it.
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By: Moggy C - 15th December 2014 at 19:57 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Talk about 'biting the hand'
Blaming your employer for editorial shortcomings seems to me very bravura.
Moggy
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By: WH904 - 15th December 2014 at 23:02 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Mike/Moggy - I'm quite sure that no supermarket has a "mountain" of any magazine edition. Distribution doesn't work like that. If you don't happen to like the Kelsey/Key bookazines, then perhaps you might like to explain why? I'm sure that we'd all be more than willing to respond to views and criticism, but oblique comments that infer criticism (but say nothing of any value) don't help you or us.
As for Canopener's posts, I'm not quite sure what he's trying to say. I'm quite sure there are mistakes here and there, but then there are always mistakes in every book and every magazine on every subject. The best that one can do is to work hard to avoid them. In the case of the Jaguar edition, I wrote the material myself and I worked hard to create an interesting and readable account of the Jaguar within the space available. I think we produced a very good publication (which has been very well received) but if it wasn't as good as he expected, then I'm sorry that he was disappointed.
But I would of course appreciate any thoughts from readers, as the Icons series can only continue to improve if we have a better understanding of precisely what readers want to see - or don't want to see.
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By: Mike J - 26th December 2014 at 09:15 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The mountain of copies in Tesco in Cambridge has vanished now Bob, to be replaced with copies of the Inter-War Bombers bookazine. Better get a copy of the Jaguar one quick, before they're all pulped, as nowhere seems to have them on sale now.
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By: Bob - 26th December 2014 at 11:29 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
From the reports of poor printing and other errors I think I'll give it a miss. Maybe I'll find one in a charity shop....
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By: WH904 - 29th December 2014 at 23:08 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The mountain of copies in Tesco in Cambridge has vanished
Good to hear - must have sold very quickly then if they've already gone :)
We're still trying to sort-out the circulation on the Jaguar issue - Tescos seem to have beaten WH Smiths hands down. It's a mystery why this has happened though but hopefully all will be sorted before the next Icons edition goes on sale in a couple of weeks or so :)
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By: WH904 - 16th January 2015 at 12:57 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Just to update - the distribution problems appear to have been addressed, and the next edition in the series (F-4 Phantom) is now going on sale :)
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By: Bob - 5th May 2015 at 10:56 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Well, finally managed to find a copy - in my local garden centre!
No printing flaws in the copy I got. Found it an interesting read (aside from the occasional typo - proof reader needs to work harder ;) ) with the underhand 'politics' of the venture between BAC and Breguet/Dassault, and I hadn't been aware that the IAF was still using the Jaguar, so at least I learned something new from my investment.
Sad to think the Indians still operate the Sea Harrier AND Jaguar yet we barely have an air force these days and the Harrier 'replacement' is turning into another defence procurement farce.
Always had a soft spot for the Jag - don't know what sets it apart from other military jets - it just looks right...
Anyway, a better read than the Cold War Warriors bookazine IMO.
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By: WH904 - 7th May 2015 at 17:27 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Glad you liked it. The typo problem is being addressed and we've already improved things since the Jaguar issue. We've also sorted-out the print problems. Distribution still seems to be a bit mixed though, so if anyone still finds it difficult to get copies of the Icons series, do say so. The next edition in the series is out in a few days and we're already working on the one after that - which is probably my favourite aeroplane, so I'm enjoying the research :)
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By: TonyT - 8th May 2015 at 00:04 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I gave up trying to get a copy.
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By: Mark Johnston - 9th May 2015 at 14:45 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I ordered six copies of the Jag issue when it was first published and only one was delivered - I was told the rest were back ordered. Any chance I'll be seeing those?
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By: WH904 - 9th May 2015 at 15:19 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
If the order was made with Key Publishing, I would advise you to contact the supplier directly as that sounds like a mistake to me - I can't see why there would have been a delay of that length