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  • FarlamAirframes
    Scrap Metal Man
    • Nov 2007
    • 1444

    Me Bf 110 Wing panel

    I have just received this from Romania.

    It is the R(echts) Starboard under wing panel from a Bf 110 E-3 - Werk No. 2346.

    Picture of the panel in situ on the Hendon Machine.

    So far I have found out the following.

    She was built in Feb/Mar 41 as a block of 35 by GWF (Gothaer WaggonFabrik at Gotha). One of only 200 E-3's.

    Suffered 10% damage on 05th Aug 1941 at a place called Mozhaysk - west of Moscow. When flown with the 2(F). AukFlGr 33 by Uffz Grasse - presumably as part of the Barbarossa advance on Moscow.

    Item 141
    http://www.airwar.ru/history/av2ww/a...bf110loss.html

    Suffered 60% damage in Russia on 21st Feb 1942.

    Lost at Ploesti on 24th Aug 1944.

    The wing has numerous bullet holes - but they are all small ( ca. 5mm dia.) so I am not sure if they are post war plinking or battle damage.

    The wing has an in service patch on the leading edge.

    Attached is the page from the Vultee assessment of a captured 110 that shows the same wing panel.

    Can anyone add any further information or corrections ??
    Attached Files
    Last edited by FarlamAirframes; 8th November 2014, 18:04.
    Kind Regards,

    Brian
  • ian_
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • May 2007
    • 1954

    #2
    A nicely identifiable piece there Brian. Not much to add! Interesting that even Vultee were given captured bits to study. Presumably they didn't learn much from it.

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    • QldSpitty
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Apr 2006
      • 2622

      #3
      Actually the Me110 was fully gone through by Vultee.Report can be found in here..
      http://www.warbirdinformationexchang...78&hilit=Me110
      "If the C.O. ask's you to be Tail End Charlie...just shoot him!!!....A Piece of Cake.
      http://spitfirea58-27.blogspot.com.au/

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      • FarlamAirframes
        Scrap Metal Man
        • Nov 2007
        • 1444

        #4
        Ian - the full report is also available on Deutschluftwaffe.de - what I found interesting was that it was before the US joined the war - we shipped an entire 110 across to California for analysis.

        Does anyone have the Luftwaffe loss reports for the two later dates ??
        Kind Regards,

        Brian

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        • Flying_Pencil
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Sep 2010
          • 737

          #5
          Interesting find and info!

          Cant get much better then this, unless an entire complete aircraft.
          Do17 recovery fund
          Since 2004 dedicated to researching Do-17, 1000+ period photos, manuals, history, technology to put aircraft in perspective.

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          • mike currill
            Big pistons rule
            • Jul 2003
            • 8791

            #6
            Holes of approx. 5mm diameter would definitly point to post war plinking. I am pretty certain that just about all the ammunition used in WWII was 7+mm
            The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its original size.

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            • FarlamAirframes
              Scrap Metal Man
              • Nov 2007
              • 1444

              #7
              Mike - I see that the Russians were using 7.6 mm bullets mainly - so not one of theirs.

              Possibly a post war .22? They are definitely bullet holes as the metal is puckered inwards with some signs of heat.

              I also found a picture of a 2 Aukfl33 Me 110 E-3 in Russia - with their Puss in Boots with camera emblem.
              Kind Regards,

              Brian

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              • QldSpitty
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Apr 2006
                • 2622

                #8
                Some of the research Vultee did was fired a variety of rounds into bits and bobs of Me110.Mainly the hydraulic,oil and fuel tanks I think to check on the Germans self sealing technology.
                "If the C.O. ask's you to be Tail End Charlie...just shoot him!!!....A Piece of Cake.
                http://spitfirea58-27.blogspot.com.au/

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                • FarlamAirframes
                  Scrap Metal Man
                  • Nov 2007
                  • 1444

                  #9
                  Qld Spitty - I was concerned that this panel and hence the were holes just below the fuel tank. The paint is bubbled in places but no obvious signs of fire - just possible age or leaking.

                  I have had a 109 outer wing panel with definite Russian bullet holes in it - but there was no fuel out there.

                  P.S. I guess that after 60% damage the final aircraft was more of a hybrid airframe or a massive in theatre rebuild.
                  Kind Regards,

                  Brian

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                  • Flying_Pencil
                    Rank 5 Registered User
                    • Sep 2010
                    • 737

                    #10
                    Originally posted by FarlamAirframes View Post
                    Qld Spitty - I was concerned that this panel and hence the were holes just below the fuel tank. The paint is bubbled in places but no obvious signs of fire - just possible age or leaking.
                    Bubbles under paint are signs of corrosion (if no charring present).
                    Do17 recovery fund
                    Since 2004 dedicated to researching Do-17, 1000+ period photos, manuals, history, technology to put aircraft in perspective.

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