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  • Seafuryfan
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Jan 2000
    • 2496

    Enginefest

    The Guy Martin thread prompts me to ask if an Enginefest has been considered? I wonder just how many engines running on trailers there are out there. The 'daddy' for me would be the RB211 (jet) and the R-3350 (piston). Merlin Pete, do you have an online diary of events you expect to attend?
  • Oxcart
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Nov 2007
    • 2100

    #2
    Would love to hear a Jumo diesel engine! -if someome could please make that happen-thanks!
    Give a man a fish and eat for a day. Give a man a fishing rod and he'll eat for a lifetime. Give a man religion and he'll die praying for a fish!

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    • austernj673
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • May 2008
      • 586

      #3
      That's a great idea! The Metheringham Airfield Visitor Centre (Near Lincoln) open Weekend is held on the 3rd/4th May 2015. There is already a ground running Jet Provost and hopefully a RR Griffon booked in so it might be nice to see what else we can gather. If any engine owners are interested then it would be great to hear from you. There is camping available all Weekend plus bar and evening entertainment on the Sunday night and BBMF fly past on both days. Likewise if any Stall holders are interested then more the merrier. Last year was a great turnout.

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      • Anon
        Mike Davey
        • Jan 2008
        • 2870

        #4
        I've plans to get an engine or two running at some time in the future but with the number of projects I have on the go it won't be soon.

        However, I'd like to bring a static engine or two along if an event is planned, if that would be acceptable? I have an oily R-2800 Double Wasp and a tidy R-1830 Twin Wasp with their respective propellers which I could bring.

        A friend and occasional Forum contributor has rebuilt an ex-Avro 19 Cheetah with a fully restored and working undercarriage behind it, currently just being fitted to its running/transit stand. That should be ready for next year, all being well.

        Anon.

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        • Alan Key
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Jul 2010
          • 50

          #5
          Flying Legends makes a pretty good stab at an engine fest - the number and variety of running engines seems to grow every year. The engine runs there are very well attended and much appreciated by all.

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          • MerlinPete
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Jan 2006
            • 1277

            #6
            Agreed, Flying Legends usually has the best collection, we had 7 engines in 2013.
            There is also an "Enginefest" at the Halfpenny Green airfield fly-in, but I don`t know if it could work as a free-standing event, much as I would personally love to attend a show consisting solely of engines, I think it will always have to be an offshoot of an existing show.
            I tried to make inroads into the 1000 engine rally in Cheshire, for stationary engines, but that came to nothing.
            Lord March expressed an interest in having the Merlin at the Goodwood Revival, and I`m sure that would be a perfect venue, although it is usually a sell-out.
            Forgetting the aviation connection for a moment, the Anson (not Avro!) engine museum in Cheshire, or the Internal Fire Museum in Cardigan would both be good venues too.
            When the question has been raised in the past, we have got as far as suggesting it should be a central location, but that`s about it. The engines attend a whole range of events, plus the owners are naturally not always free, myself especially, and so it can be difficult to organise.
            I know of at least 7 Merlins and 3 Griffons on trailers in the UK which run, plus 2 or 3 under construction, plus another 3 we are doing at work for customers to ground run, but at present, you only see 2 Merlins and 1 Griffon regularly in public.

            Pete
            Last edited by MerlinPete; 12th October 2014, 23:02.
            If I had a quid for every time someone mentioned "buried crated Merlins", I could buy one!

            www.flightengineering.co.uk

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            • MerlinPete
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • Jan 2006
              • 1277

              #7
              Seafuryfan. I haven't posted an events list for about 10 years. It used to be simple, as there were 3 or 4 of us who used to attend the same events, but now it has diversified so much that, although we all keep in touch, and some of us meet up at Legends, I don't know who is displaying where.
              I could post a list of my own events, but that would often mean just the Merlin.

              What kind of truck would you mount an RB211 on?! I haven't come across any R-3350s over here, but I did a nice wartime R-2800 many years ago, the owner didn't top up the oil and it seized, a real shame.

              I would like to hear a Sabre and a Jumo 211 or Jumo diesel as mentioned.

              Pete
              If I had a quid for every time someone mentioned "buried crated Merlins", I could buy one!

              www.flightengineering.co.uk

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              • Seafuryfan
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Jan 2000
                • 2496

                #8
                Thanks for the replies everyone. Yes, probably a bit ambitious expecting the RB to be mobile, still, impressive to watch on youtube. Good luck with Metherington. austernj673. It looks like Metherington, Legends and Halfpenny Green then, for what appears to be a growth activity. Plus of course, the events where we stumble across you guys. Best wishes to all, it's really great to watch.

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                • Sopwith
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 1525

                  #9
                  Originally posted by MerlinPete View Post
                  Agreed, Flying Legends usually has the best collection, we had 7 engines in 2013.
                  There is also an "Enginefest" at the Halfpenny Green airfield fly-in, but I don`t know if it could work as a free-standing event, much as I would personally love to attend a show consisting solely of engines, I think it will always have to be an offshoot of an existing show.
                  I tried to make inroads into the 1000 engine rally in Cheshire, for stationary engines, but that came to nothing.
                  Lord March expressed an interest in having the Merlin at the Goodwood Revival, and I`m sure that would be a perfect venue, although it is usually a sell-out.
                  Forgetting the aviation connection for a moment, the Anson (not Avro!) engine museum in Cheshire, or the Internal Fire Museum in Cardigan would both be good venues too.
                  When the question has been raised in the past, we have got as far as suggesting it should be a central location, but that`s about it. The engines attend a whole range of events, plus the owners are naturally not always free, myself especially, and so it can be difficult to organise.
                  I know of at least 7 Merlins and 3 Griffons on trailers in the UK which run, plus 2 or 3 under construction, plus another 3 we are doing at work for customers to ground run, but at present, you only see 2 Merlins and 1 Griffon regularly in public.

                  Pete
                  That would be a brilliant venue at the Museum of internal fire. I was up there earlier in the year and the owner is a real enthusiast, I'll bet he'd be up for an enginefest if it could be arranged.

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                  • stuart gowans
                    Not a real Spitfire
                    • Dec 2005
                    • 2005

                    #10
                    I would suggest Damyns Hall as a venue, (hardly central, but not far for me!) an up and coming event, who are keen to enlarge the aviation content of the show, and they love a bit of noise as well!
                    Why be your own worse critic, that's what the forum is for.

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                    • Oxcart
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Nov 2007
                      • 2100

                      #11
                      Dunsfold would be good-u could hang the RB from the 747 that's already there!
                      Give a man a fish and eat for a day. Give a man a fishing rod and he'll eat for a lifetime. Give a man religion and he'll die praying for a fish!

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                      • Wulfie
                        StART
                        • Mar 2011
                        • 302

                        #12
                        Just found this thread after returning from California. I help organise the Halfpenny Green events, and we have tried to have static engines running on most occasions. We would like to expand this if the interest is there.

                        In Napa Valley I came across a guy who has his own EngineFest, I nearly crashed the car in St,Helena, when I passed a parking lot with a VW Beetle with a 440 hp Continental radial mounted on the back. He must have a helluva lot of ballast in the boot at the front. A placard on the nearby wall said the engine drives the VW forward at a yet to be determined top speed, and also says it it the most dangerous VW in the World. I believe him. He also had a trailer mounted P & W R4430 (if I have the numbers correct, ex-B-36). There were also about ten other radials in the workshop at the back of the lot and in his garden on the other side of the railway track which ran behind that.

                        I don't know how to post Photos on here, but I will add an album to the Tettenhall Transport Heritage Centre's Facebook Page if anyone is interested enough to Google it

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                        • Anon
                          Mike Davey
                          • Jan 2008
                          • 2870

                          #13
                          Would be great to see any photos you can post, Wulfie, if you work out how to do it.

                          The B-36 engine will be an R-4360 Pratt & Whitney Wasp Major. It's a monster. The 4360 part of the designator indicates its displacement to the nearest ten cubic inches, that makes it around a 70-litre displacement. Big!

                          Author and P&W engine enthusiast Graham White in the US has a running one, amongst other similar projects.

                          Anon.

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                          • Mike J
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2000
                            • 3241

                            #14
                            If you want to have a successful event, you need to attract people with something different. Quite frankly, one V-12 chugging away looks and sounds pretty much like another, as does one round engine to another.

                            I've seen some great engines running on stands, mainly in the US, that to me really had that 'wow factor' by being something different. For example, a Gnome rotary, a Liberty, an Anzani, and, most memorable of all, a V-1 pulsejet. Another memorable engine was the early jet that was run at Flying Legends about 5 years ago. I'd travel a fair way to see (and hear) things like that close-up. A bunch of Merlins, Griffons and Leonides would not provide sufficient attraction to tempt me beyond my front door. The Napier Lion that has been run at some events is very nice though!

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                            • Anon
                              Mike Davey
                              • Jan 2008
                              • 2870

                              #15
                              I'm sure that if an Enginefest event began to catch on then this would encourage the more rarer and exotic engine types to see the light of day and hopefully run.

                              I think the thread is about establishing such an event, the rest following on. This happened with Newark Air Museum's Cockpit Fest; the event, at first, attracted the few cockpit owners that were about but its continuation encouraged others to follow suit, acquire cockpits and projects and for these eventually to be displayed at the event. It is now a fixture on may people's calendars and has seen a minor explosion in not only the number of cockpits doing the rounds but in a greater awareness of the hobby and it becoming a discipline in its own right.

                              It was certainly a stimulus to those who may not have otherwise have got around to restoring something - and increased the numbers of preserved cockpits accordingly. I'd anticipate the same happening if Engine Fest was started.

                              Anon

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                              • steve611
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • Aug 2013
                                • 182

                                #16
                                Speaking as an aviation enthusiast (and a newly retired person looking for a way to go forward), could any of you engine experts give me some idea (feel free to PM me to avoid cluttering up the thread) as to the work and costs associated with an engine project?

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                                • Anon
                                  Mike Davey
                                  • Jan 2008
                                  • 2870

                                  #17
                                  I'd say the man to ask would be Merlin Pete due to his wealth of experience and expertise in the field of ground-runner engines.

                                  For my two pennor'th; several factors will decide how much you pay and for what, when looking to acquire a (potential) ground-runner engine. In varying degrees the rarity, spares availability, general condition and completeness of a particular engine will markedly affect its acquisition price. Add to that the purpose-made trailer and instrumentation package that will be required to carry out the task safely and easily.

                                  The type of engine you want will also affect its price. For instance, set your sights on a Napier Sabre and you might find yourself considerably out of pocket - if you find one at all (though they are rumoured to be about). Generally, there are a few time-ex'd or scrapped examples of larger radials to be found, many from the Eastern Bloc.

                                  A V-12 you might find a little challenging. The most common are Merlins and Griffons, though as alluded to above, any more of these on the engine display circuit may not create the interest that you may desire. Start with something simple (a nice IO-360 might be nice) to gain experience and get to know people -you never know what others in the field may have stashed away. Engines like this come up on e-Bay quite often.

                                  It never fails to amaze me though just what is out there. If the though of setting something up appeals to you, then don't set your sights on a particular engine type, just something that is a little different or under-represented on the circuit could be a broad enough brush.

                                  Anon.

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                                  • Bar Side
                                    Rank 5 Registered User
                                    • Dec 2012
                                    • 55

                                    #18
                                    These the Napa engines you mean?
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                                    Shame they are not in the UK.

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                                    • Wulfie
                                      StART
                                      • Mar 2011
                                      • 302

                                      #19
                                      Those are the engines. If you Google Tettenhall Transport Heritage Centre and click on our Facebook Page you will see more pictures, including the P & W with a prop fitted, and the other engines he has

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                                      • tankbarrell
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • Nov 2005
                                        • 248

                                        #20
                                        The engine in the Beetle looks like a W-670 to me, more like 250 hp.

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