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    #21
    There you go if its not an american type no interest in saving it.

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      #22
      Originally posted by plainmad View Post
      There you go if its not an american type no interest in saving it.

      Don't you mean: if its not a Spitfire (there is) no interest in saving it?

      I read today that RR stopped supporting the Tyne, so no chance of the Belfast flying out of there either way?

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        #23
        All of Nick Leach's aircraft around the country have either been sold, or scrapped. The 2 ex Ozjet 737-200's at Perth will be dismantled and taken out to an airfield east of York. The DC-3 at Cairns was moved last year and the Belfast was the last one left. With the amount of money owed for parking fees they will try and get some back.

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          #24
          Tell the breakers to contact R-R; they might want to buy the engines.

          Anon.

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            #25
            Extinction is the natural fate of the inadequate. Effort to preserve should be put to the good, not to the bad and/or ugly. Cosford's Ventura, Wroughton's Connie - examples of hidden objects more deserving of space than Belslow. Purge.

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              #26
              Short Belfast pictures from better days .....

              Paris Le Bourget June 1967


              RAF Wildenrath Germany July 1970




              Jur

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                #27
                The rear seating in that second photograph looks a bit draughty!!!
                WA$.

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by Creaking Door View Post
                  The rear seating in that second photograph looks a bit draughty!!!
                  That's the smoking section

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by alertken View Post
                    Extinction is the natural fate of the inadequate. Effort to preserve should be put to the good, not to the bad and/or ugly. Cosford's Ventura, Wroughton's Connie - examples of hidden objects more deserving of space than Belslow. Purge.
                    A point I've driven home to tedium no doubt, but there seems to be a romantic flair appended to airframes that are stuck on the other side of the world, tied up in endless red tape or under feet of ice and snow. For example people insist that the 'Lady of the Lake' B29 should be dredged up and returned to static or flying condition, stat! Yet far less credence is given to the unfortunate 'bird on a stick' B29s across the US; robbed of parts and with turrets plated over and perfunctory paint jobs applied.

                    I was aware of Wroughton's Connie already. Surely it should command the same mystery and intrigue as the Maid of Harlech? Here is a Constellation we know exists, but good luck getting a peek at it! I was ignorant of the Cosford Ventura and had to do a bit of Googling. The resulting images produced an audible 'huh?!?' when I viewed them. The remains of the Hawker P.1121, an F-84F and a Twin Pin appear to be languishing in the same hangar. Out of sight, out of mind.

                    Yet people want that Bristol Freighter down in New Zealand to be shipped to the UK to be proudly displayed next to Concorde at Filton.

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                      #30
                      Meddle, good points, I suspect that abandonded wrecks and relics firstly attract those who see the initial cost as free.Sadly they often have little understanding of logistics costs. And airframes in more accesible locations have owners who rightly want cash for parting with them.

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                        #31
                        Nothing is out of mind, and in an ideal world, all these aircraft would be restored. But it requires time, money and willpower. The Wroughton Constellation is complete, restored and under no threat. It's safe. So is the P1121, which would be a wonderful project if someone were to actually finish it off (it comprises the complete fuselage and one wing. The rest could fairly easily be built. But it's not under threat - just waiting for time, money and willpower. A Bristol Freighter is a major, significant British post-war type that is not represented here. Bringing one home to Filton is an extremely good idea. Can't see why that should perplex you, Meddle. It might not be a "sexy warbird", but we sold several hundred of them. While you're on the subject of Bristol, how about restoring that last Brigand too?

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                          #32
                          Originally posted by alertken View Post
                          Extinction is the natural fate of the inadequate. Effort to preserve should be put to the good, not to the bad and/or ugly...
                          Disagree entirely; that's how we got into the situation that we've worked so hard to rectify!

                          If that were the case British aviation in the Second World War would only be represented by the Spitfire, Mosquito and Lancaster, with the Hurricane, Defiant, Gladiator, Typhoon, Tempest, Halifax, Stirling, Wellington, Hampden, Blenheim and Whitley all scrapped...

                          ...as they all very nearly were.....and not confined even to the history books?

                          Sorry, we shouldn't be preserving the better (foreign) aircraft that Britain should have operated (or produced), we should be preserving the actual aircraft that Britain did produce and operate...

                          ...otherwise 'history' will record that the only aircraft, or the only 'good' aircraft, were American!
                          Last edited by Creaking Door; 28th February 2017, 16:22.
                          WA$.

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                            #33
                            Originally posted by markb View Post
                            Can't see why that should perplex you, Meddle. It might not be a "sexy warbird", but we sold several hundred of them.
                            It is simply a matter of my prejudices. The Bristol Freighter was slow and ugly in service, and shipping one from the other side of the world seems like a waste of money, in my prejudiced opinion of course. There is something about seeing one sitting next to Concorde as the twin pinnacles of Bristol's contribution to aviation that I find darkly amusing...

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                              #34
                              Better than future generations just wondering why something as unimaginative as 'Freighter Way' was chosen for one of the side-streets in the Filton logistics / retail park...

                              ...along with the more imaginative 'Concorde Boulevard', 'Brigand Avenue' and 'Belvedere Street'!
                              WA$.

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                                #35
                                The B170 coming to Filton is one of the most exciting pieces of news for years, but I am a prop liner nut! Going back to the Belfast has the axe actually fallen, any photos? The belfast was always a nice aircraft. So few were built and their military careers so short compared with their Transport Command stablemates. Plus they are pretty much the biggest UK built aircraft that you could preserve and would take a lot of effort.

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                                  #36
                                  Apparently "Hector" was still very much "in one piece" at Cairns on Friday the 3th of March 2017.
                                  Do not know how much longer though.
                                  http://www.airnieuws.nl updated per 11 SEPT 2018. Fokker aircraft and more...

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                                    #37
                                    Originally posted by plainmad View Post
                                    There you go if its not an american type no interest in saving it.
                                    Nonsense. An example of the Douglas C-133, the broadly American equivalent, is set to be scrapped at the defunct Chanute museum.
                                    Too big to move by road, too expensive to fly.
                                    There are two sides to every story. The truth is usually somewhere between the two.

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                                      #38
                                      Originally posted by Creaking Door View Post

                                      Sorry, we shouldn't be preserving the better (foreign) aircraft that Britain should have operated (or produced), we should be preserving the actual aircraft that Britain did produce and operate...

                                      ...otherwise 'history' will record that the only aircraft, or the only 'good' aircraft, were American!
                                      So the RAF crews that gave their lives in Hudson's, Mustangs, Catalinias, Dakotas, Thunderbolts, etc etc. should have their aircraft overlooked?
                                      Surely, you don't want that.

                                      Likewise the sterling service of the Hercules, Sabres, Phantoms, Neptunes, Washingtons, Whirlwind, Wessex, Sea King, Sentry, King Airs and the rest should be honored.

                                      For a country with a great aviation history, there is a lot of petty nationalism here.
                                      I don't see many 707s or C-130s being preserved.

                                      Let's face it, large transports are never going to have the popularity (as a display or as a flying "warbird" or antique as a "sexy" warbird fighter.

                                      If one feels strongly, go to a meeting of warbird operators...I'm sure they'll have a marquee at Legends...and ask them to quit funding countless Spitfire and Mosquito rebuilds and put some of their money into a Bristol, Argosy, or Belfast.

                                      Let us know how that works out.
                                      Last edited by J Boyle; 4th March 2017, 19:27.
                                      There are two sides to every story. The truth is usually somewhere between the two.

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                                        #39
                                        Have to agree with J Boyle here. We should be preserving more than just home built aircraft.

                                        And I am finding the lack of appreciation for the less famous, less glasmorous and less successful aircraft on a forum visted by aviation enthusiasts about the preservation of hitoric aviation slightly concerning (of course my sarcasm detector might be on the blink).

                                        The Bristol Feighter was a British post-war success story.It does has as much right to be preserved at Filton as Concord and I do hope that soon one will be.

                                        The Short Belfast did see service in the RAF. And if it is not the largest British designed and built aeroplane then it must come very close and is certainly to largest to be preserved..

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                                          #40
                                          Originally posted by markb View Post
                                          ..... the P1121, which would be a wonderful project if someone were to actually finish it off (it comprises the complete fuselage and one wing. The rest could fairly easily be built. But it's not under threat - just waiting for time, money and willpower. .....
                                          Well that is rather an exaggeration. The P.1121 is a partly constructed hulk consisting of a centre fuselage shell, a cockpit shell and one wing only partly skinned. It is not my idea of easy to finish off. Anyway what would be the point, it is an accurate representation of its history as it stands.

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