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  • Dobbins
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Feb 2012
    • 448

    Originally posted by David Burke
    The cockpit shot is a real P-40 -therefore where is that P-40 bearing in mind that survivors are very well documented!
    That's why the scenery through the windscreen is baffling me.

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    • Bruce
      Independent analyst
      • Jan 2000
      • 10225

      Originally posted by Mark12
      ..er no. Just the tail was BP926.

      This BF VI shot was a very complete but substantially bent example.

      Mark
      Hey, I'm out of practice!

      Yes, I know which one now!



      Bruce

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      • David Burke
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Jan 2000
        • 10028

        People are working on the basis that the first few pictures are fake -however if they are it still doesnt explain where the P-40 cockpit is !

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        • danjama
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Nov 2010
          • 432

          Why are people so certain that 1,2, and 3 are fake? They all look bloody obviously real to me!! Digital, too, IMO, probably from a compact. It seems to have struggled to expose correctly due to the bright sky contrasting with the dull foreground.
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          • Dobbins
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Feb 2012
            • 448

            I don't get it. Even if he has more photos, those are an odd choice of five to post.

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            • Bruce
              Independent analyst
              • Jan 2000
              • 10225

              Over on Wix, Pic 3 has been sharpened up. Looks much more believable now!


              Bruce

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              • Airfixtwin
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Jul 2006
                • 145

                Some more desert wrecks for comparison.

                http://www.dunes.it/sahara_aviation_safety/index.htm


                If it is real, and is recovered, do we favour a restoration or do we leave it as is?

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                • Dobbins
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Feb 2012
                  • 448

                  Originally posted by Airfixtwin


                  If it is real, and is recovered, do we favour a restoration or do we leave it as is?
                  Leave as it is. Do not do a 50/50 job like Duxford's 109!

                  The enhanced photo on wix does look a lot better though I'm still not totally convinced.

                  There's speculation on another forum that it could be a film set. Anyone?

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                  • danjama
                    Rank 5 Registered User
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 432

                    It makes me laugh how people over ta WIX have blown up the tail section from the long distance photo, and theyre surprised to see artefacts around the tail

                    Personally, I would also have taken and posted the long distance photos. They add authenticity and believability to the photos, by showing the surrounding environment and approach.
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                    • Stepwilk
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Sep 2010
                      • 664

                      People are saying that modellers couldn't be that good...
                      If so, they know little about serious scale modeling, and what knowledge they do have probably extends about as far as the $19.95 plastic-toy kits that are top-of-the-line in Walmarts. And of course some of the best scale modelers don't even use kits; they scratchbuild.

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                      • Dobbins
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Feb 2012
                        • 448

                        Photos 3 and 4 look far too contrived and posed

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                        • TempestNut
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Jul 2003
                          • 532

                          Originally posted by danjama
                          Why are people so certain that 1,2, and 3 are fake? They all look bloody obviously real to me!! Digital, too, IMO, probably from a compact. It seems to have struggled to expose correctly due to the bright sky contrasting with the dull foreground.
                          Exactly; and as I pointed out on page 1 As a photographer the photo's are exactly what I would expect to see from the processed output of a compact, or even a consumer DSLR from a few years back.
                          TN

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                          • AWOT
                            Registered User
                            • Apr 2012
                            • 2

                            Model or not that is the question

                            Hi
                            Awot is me :-) My nickname does not mean A Waste Of Time. Is the name of my motorcycle AWO-425T http://www.film-autos.com/fundus/fah....php?fz_id=259
                            In a few days I get a few other pictures of the P-40. This is not a model. It's a real plane! Believe !!!

                            Raphael

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                            • Bruce
                              Independent analyst
                              • Jan 2000
                              • 10225

                              Welcome to our world Raphael.

                              We would all love it to be true, and I am sure all look forward to more pictures!

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                              • mackerel
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • Oct 2007
                                • 625

                                Originally posted by Bruce
                                Beau VI; you are a tease.

                                So what is the Spitfire in the background of the Ju88 tail shot??
                                Well serial no ends in 8 !

                                Steve

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                                • Peter
                                  Moderator
                                  • Jan 2000
                                  • 12509

                                  Welcome to the forum Raphael! Looking forward to more pictures of this unique find! You do realise that until you post more pics, you have dozens of folks eagerly watching the thread sipping cofffee or other harder drink types in anticipation!
                                  Cheers,Peter
                                  "Merlins always drip oil, when they don't....worry!"

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                                  • brewerjerry
                                    Rank 5 Registered User
                                    • May 2004
                                    • 919

                                    Originally posted by AWOT
                                    Hi
                                    Awot is me :-) My nickname does not mean A Waste Of Time. Is the name of my motorcycle AWO-425T http://www.film-autos.com/fundus/fah....php?fz_id=259
                                    In a few days I get a few other pictures of the P-40. This is not a model. It's a real plane! Believe !!!

                                    Raphael
                                    Hi Raphael,
                                    Welcome to the board and please prove my mind wrong.
                                    cheers
                                    Jerry

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                                    • Dave Homewood
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Mar 2004
                                      • 5648

                                      People refuse to believe it's real because you cannot see the bloody shark's mouth!!

                                      Perhaps the photographer did not slide back the canopy and hop into the cockpit as everyone seems to be debating, he may have stuck the camera through the small opening such as a broken canopy panel?
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                                      • Ian Hunt
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • Oct 2010
                                        • 221

                                        Fake?

                                        OK then. For the P40 experts (that's not me, by the way) ...

                                        What part of the a/c is shown in Pic 4? Port fuselage side?

                                        If that's a lifted-up hatch in the position where the fuselage roundel (?) is, isn't it odd that there seems to be no opening visible behind it? And was there a hatch in the side of the P40 in the position where the roundel was usually painted? Above the wing trailing edge fairing?

                                        Secondly, what's that funny white-ish thing at the top left-hand corner which looks like broken plastic?

                                        Ian

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                                        • Dobbins
                                          Rank 5 Registered User
                                          • Feb 2012
                                          • 448

                                          The hatch looks to be in the correct place, but yes it is odd that there is nothing visible behind it.

                                          The white broken plastic is the perspex from behind the canopy which has crazed and broken, presumably with heat.

                                          Good reference pic here:

                                          http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_eqb8qL2GKZ..._Kittyhawk.jpg

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