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  • pat1968
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    • Apr 2004
    • 260

    Discendo Duces, sadly not see post #317
    "Only the dead see the end of the war" Plato

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    • qattara
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      • May 2012
      • 52

      all is quiet, no one to date has asked the wp of the place where the bones are, after a meeting in Cairo with the authorities farce everything is back in silence........

      this statement refers to the meeting held with the Egyptian police after the mandate of the British Embassy.

      The inter-university cooperation instead progressing well

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      • pat1968
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        • Apr 2004
        • 260

        Many thanks for the update qattara a little good news at least!
        Last edited by pat1968; 25th February 2013, 08:43.
        "Only the dead see the end of the war" Plato

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        • qattara
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          • May 2012
          • 52

          my and our hope is to give an identity to the bones of the desert, Germans or Italians belonging to the Commonwealth.
          However, we are wordless to the attitude taken towards us, as if we were charlatans and profiteers, but we do not earn anything from this story, or rather we spend our money and we put our reputation ....

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          • pat1968
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            • Apr 2004
            • 260

            Quattara, some of the things that have been said on this forum regarding you and your colleagues efforts have been frankly embarrassing. What I can assure you is that the family of Dennis Copping greatly appreciate those efforts!
            "Only the dead see the end of the war" Plato

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              Seconded.

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              • qattara
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                • May 2012
                • 52

                we are in contact and for us it is the best award

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                • paulmcmillan
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                  • Jan 2000
                  • 2661

                  Maybe we will have to await the South Evertt Beacon report of what was said

                  Do the Yanks know what a "bollocking" is

                  http://south-everett.villagesoup.com...evealed/965674

                  PS that word got through the forum filters!
                  Weather - Fair with cloudy patches, clear by early evening.

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                  • Snoopy7422
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                    • Oct 2011
                    • 840

                    Predictable Response.

                    Pat1968;- 'I am not sure this post even deserves a response. You clearly have never served in the military and lost a colleague and friend. I can assure you if you had you wouldn't suggest that showing concern for the family of a fallen serviceman is childish.'

                    Wrong on all counts. So much for 'clearly'.... As for the last point, obviously, I made no such assertion.

                    Whilst several people here seem to be trying to outdo each other in the righteous-indignation/moral-high-ground stakes, my basic point is that linking the Copping issue to the rescue of the a/c is simply childishly poor logic. And, yes, if the a/c's in a container somewhere secure now, great, at least it's protected.

                    Identifying remains is a wholly separate issue. Generally, the UK state/MOD has a pretty good record for dealing with it's fallen service personnel and the upkeep of it's cemeteries etc. If they seem to be dragging their feet, perhaps they have good reasons..... If the authorites have new information - one presumes they'll tell the family first, rather than an open internet forum...

                    As for the assertions in parts of this thread that the passage of time is irrelevant - well, that's obviously unrealistic. There is an inevitable loss of urgency after seventy-one years, frankly, it's pointless pretending otherwise. It's also illogical to suggest that recognising these realities by any party - infers in anyway any disrespect for the dead - or their descendants.

                    I dont think that pompous moralizing automatically equates with showing either dignity or respect, but then again, millions watch reality TV these days, so maybe Im just old-hat.

                    I sincerely hope that the remains found are Copping, so that the lad can buried with some dignity. If they are not his remains what then...?

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                    • David Burke
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                      • Jan 2000
                      • 10032

                      Childishly poor logic ?? The aircraft is in the middle of a remote desert -getting there has cost a lot of money -the human remains are a very short distance away but are not recovered ! I don't think your logic is going to gel with many people!

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                      • jeepman
                        infrequent poster now
                        • Apr 2004
                        • 1986

                        ummm.......

                        Can somebody explain to me why there seems to be an continuing embargo on free discussion about the proposed final destination of the airframe when this appears to have been openly discussed elsewhere for a number of months now?
                        JM

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                        • qattara
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • May 2012
                          • 52

                          I am Italian, and the problem affects me only as the discoverer well as a human being, but you realize that you are all kidding?
                          you busy writing posts, open forum, to ask your political opinions, and meanwhile as the ancient Greeks said ... panta rei!!

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                          • Peter
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                            • Jan 2000
                            • 12518

                            Despite some of the comments on here Quattara you have earned my utmost respect as being the only one/group that has the full intention of bringing a closure for the family and recovering any or all remains found of Dennis.
                            Last edited by Peter; 26th February 2013, 01:49.
                            Cheers,Peter
                            "Merlins always drip oil, when they don't....worry!"

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                            • DaveF68
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                              • Jun 2004
                              • 1791

                              Originally posted by jeepman View Post
                              Can somebody explain to me why there seems to be an continuing embargo on free discussion about the proposed final destination of the airframe when this appears to have been openly discussed elsewhere for a number of months now?
                              That is slightly disquieting that the fate of Sgt Copping and the ultimate destination of the a/c is being openly advertised and discussed over the pond, yet there is an official black-out here. I suspect the cold hand of politics is involved.

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                              • jeepman
                                infrequent poster now
                                • Apr 2004
                                • 1986

                                but to what end?
                                Last edited by Peter; 26th February 2013, 01:49.
                                JM

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                                  Originally posted by Snoopy7422 View Post
                                  'Generally, the UK state/MOD has a pretty good record for dealing with it's fallen service personnel and the upkeep of it's cemeteries etc.

                                  Whilst the MOD probably has a good record for dealing with current fallen service personnel it has neither the resources nor the inclination to proactively deal with casualties from old wars. It will, however, deal with such cases reactively when historic cases come to light.

                                  In the case of Flt Sgt Copping his location in Egypt is a serious hindrance. It is not, however, an impossibility - although the criticism, really, of the authorities in this case has been largely with the diplomatic end of the British chain in Cairo. Failings at that end would appear to have been what resulted in the family being formally notified that the discovered remains were not those of Flt Sgt Copping and were 400 years old. Due to the diligence and suspicions of certain members of this forum the incorrect nature of this information was uncovered and the MOD had to admit to the family that, in fact, the remains had not been examined or tested. In short, they could not say after all whether the remains were those of Flt Sgt Copping or not, or whether they were indeed 400 years old. Whilst (perhaps) an isolated incident it is hardly redolent of a "pretty good record when dealing with its fallen service personnel".

                                  As to the matter of the upkeep of cemeteries, this is outside the scope of the MOD and is solely a Commonwealth War Graves Commission responsibility. In respect of this and other cases the CWGC is beyond reproach, acts according to its Royal Charter and is not funded from the Defence budget. Additionaly, the CWGC does not of course have a remit for the discovery or recovery of fallen casualties.
                                  Last edited by Tangmere1940; 26th February 2013, 09:08. Reason: word missing

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                                  • paul178
                                    Rank 5 Registered User
                                    • Mar 2011
                                    • 2925

                                    Would the poster who refers to Flt Sgt Copping as "Copping" consider adding his rank or forename to his posts in future.
                                    I have kleptomania,But when it gets bad
                                    I take something for it.

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                                    • Mike J
                                      Senior Member
                                      • Jan 2000
                                      • 3241

                                      And are we no longer supposed to refer to Bader as "Bader", or Galland as "Galland"?

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                                      • paul178
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • Mar 2011
                                        • 2925

                                        Originally posted by Mike J View Post
                                        And are we no longer supposed to refer to Bader as "Bader", or Galland as "Galland"?
                                        You can do what you like but it just seems to me that in a delicate thread dealing with someone who probably died a horrible death in our defence a little respect would be nice.
                                        I have kleptomania,But when it gets bad
                                        I take something for it.

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                                        • DaveF68
                                          Rank 5 Registered User
                                          • Jun 2004
                                          • 1791

                                          Originally posted by jeepman View Post
                                          but to what end?
                                          I suspect due to the current instability of the political situation in Egypt.

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