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  • fred_garvin
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Feb 2008
    • 15

    yes I do

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    • rreis
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Aug 2009
      • 140

      Originally posted by David Burke
      Really ? You don't think it will be people who take 'unique' RAF P-40 parts to sell on EBAy then? Do you really think history buffs are going to pay three times the going rate for a trip out in the desert?
      If they bid, they contribute [to the status quo].

      It's like with blood diamonds, you don't need to be one with a whip in Congo...

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      • Dobbins
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Feb 2012
        • 448

        This video was uploaded today with some more recent footage. Not entirely sure what's going on though...

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYrtu...eature=related

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        • Peter
          Moderator
          • Jan 2000
          • 12496

          Ok... Curtis 1035 is that the Airframe ID no?
          Cheers,Peter
          "Merlins always drip oil, when they don't....worry!"

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          • shepsair
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Oct 2009
            • 284

            P40

            Peter,

            Yep, it is the Curtiss construction number which ties in with the US serial number which ties in with the RAF serial.

            All three of the above have now been known by the RAFM/AHB etc for over a week now. The 1035 was the last bit of evidence we required.

            regards

            Mark

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            • Peter
              Moderator
              • Jan 2000
              • 12496

              That is great news Mark! Bit confusing piece of video but is she in better hands now?
              Cheers,Peter
              "Merlins always drip oil, when they don't....worry!"

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              • Beaufighter VI
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Sep 2005
                • 519

                Drawing No. 87-21-705 is for the fuselage assembly P-40E-1, frame 1 to 16 therefore fuselage Serial No. is 1035.
                Unfortunately the copy I have of this drawing has been shot as seven different items covering the length of the fuselage and is none to clear.
                " I'm not young enough to know everything." - J M Barrie 1903

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                • shepsair
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Oct 2009
                  • 284

                  P40

                  Peter,

                  Still can't say.

                  Will ask RAFM tomorrow to ask what the current state of play is and what I can say.

                  regards

                  Mark

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                  • brewerjerry
                    Rank 5 Registered User
                    • May 2004
                    • 917

                    Originally posted by Dobbins
                    This video was uploaded today with some more recent footage. Not entirely sure what's going on though...

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYrtu...eature=related
                    Hi
                    Wonder if it was taken by one the guys in the four vehicles that visited ?
                    cheers
                    Jerry

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                    • brewerjerry
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • May 2004
                      • 917

                      Originally posted by shepsair
                      Peter,

                      Yep, it is the Curtiss construction number which ties in with the US serial number which ties in with the RAF serial.

                      All three of the above have now been known by the RAFM/AHB etc for over a week now. The 1035 was the last bit of evidence we required.

                      regards

                      Mark
                      Hi
                      Is this a shortened number, as all the info I have seen gives a 5 digit construction number for curtiss a/c.
                      cheers
                      Jerry

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                      • ...starfire
                        this space for rent
                        • Jun 2004
                        • 462

                        This time it is me who asks for stills from the video - it is blocked over here due to alleged copyright reservations (regarding music) ...
                        Cheers
                        ...chris

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                        • qattara
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • May 2012
                          • 52

                          i'm very sad to see how is p40 !!!!
                          i send two pages of parts catalog of p 40 where you find part 87 21 705
                          Attached Files

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                          • l.garey
                            Rank 5 Registered User
                            • Feb 2006
                            • 1947

                            Brewerjerry:

                            Is this a shortened number, as all the info I have seen gives a 5 digit construction number for curtiss a/c.

                            Extrapolating on Joe Baugher's page (http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_serials/1941_5.html) ET574 (41-35928) would indeed be CW 1035, and the construction number 19761.
                            The last identity he actually quotes is 41-35925 (CW 1032, c/n 19758, ET571).
                            Laurence

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                            • Bruce
                              Independent analyst
                              • Jan 2000
                              • 10219

                              The irony is that if they hadnt broken the plexi, we wouldnt have the ID right now.....



                              Bruce

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                              • shepsair
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • Oct 2009
                                • 284

                                P40

                                Bruce

                                With help from Buz, we knew the location of all of the component tags knowing the main plate was probably missing. The fuselage tag in the scolloped area behind the perspex was the main area we were looking at but there was a number of others which could have been looked at once either someone from the survey team or British Embassy got to site.

                                Starboard side scolloped perspex was already broken when the team arrived and the tag could be seen.

                                Now that 1035 has been reported and with the link, it is safe to report that the P40E Kittyhawk in the desert is now confirmed as Curtiss P40E-1-CU Curtiss number 1035, construction number 19761, US serial 41-35928 and British serial ET574.

                                The Copping family were made aware of the confirmation early last week.

                                regards

                                Mark

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                                • H87A-2
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Sep 2009
                                  • 31

                                  Originally posted by shepsair
                                  Bruce

                                  With help from Buz, we knew the location of all of the component tags knowing the main plate was probably missing. The fuselage tag in the scolloped area behind the perspex was the main area we were looking at but there was a number of others which could have been looked at once either someone from the survey team or British Embassy got to site.

                                  Starboard side scolloped perspex was already broken when the team arrived and the tag could be seen.

                                  Now that 1035 has been reported and with the link, it is safe to report that the P40E Kittyhawk in the desert is now confirmed as Curtiss P40E-1-CU Curtiss number 1035, construction number 19761, US serial 41-35928 and British serial ET574.

                                  The Copping family were made aware of the confirmation early last week.

                                  regards

                                  Mark
                                  Ok now the cats out the bag so to speak, let me point out some minor points.

                                  1035 - This number is not a shorten C/N, it is actually a Factory tracking number called a ship number. These don't always run in Sequence so can stuff you up if you think they do (leads to many a case of aircraft being mis-ID'd), but if you have the records to refer to, are a great way to identify an aircraft when all other information is missing, however (and a big one), is that these numbers are reused, its one of the reasons you have to know the model of P-40 you are looking at (as far as I can tell there is at least 4 aircraft marked as 1035).

                                  Buz

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                                  • teejaymac
                                    Rank 3 Registered User
                                    • Apr 2012
                                    • 10

                                    So my guess was correct after all
                                    But credit must go to Buz who identified the Pilot of ET574 as Denis Copping a good few years ago in a document He produced.
                                    I had looked up the Air Britain Book of Serials and cross checked other info . The fate of ET574 intrigued me , which is why I suggested it some time ago on Hyperscale , as a possibility .I got Flt Sgt Coppings name from Buz's document , which put a bit more meat on the bones of the A/B listing

                                    At last the Copping family know what happened to their relative

                                    Cheers
                                    Terry McGrady

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                                    • Peter
                                      Moderator
                                      • Jan 2000
                                      • 12496

                                      for some reason the large set of pics posted wont open.. anyways what I was getting at was way back when the pics were posted, there was a shot of the rear fuselage and I am 99.9% certain you could see a 57 in the serial number..
                                      Cheers,Peter
                                      "Merlins always drip oil, when they don't....worry!"

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                                      • shepsair
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • Oct 2009
                                        • 284

                                        P40

                                        Terry,

                                        Not really. The family now know where his plane ended up but they always knew it was somewhere in the Egyptian Desert. This is now a start point though whether his remains are ever found is another matter. Only if found would there be closure.

                                        Thankfully, your guess was correct. Glad in a way as the press have reported it as Copping's P40 for three weeks now before it was confirmed. So glad for the family.

                                        Peter,

                                        Jakub has adjusted his photos splitting his and a friends. I think there is revised link somewhere.

                                        Mark

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                                        • Peter
                                          Moderator
                                          • Jan 2000
                                          • 12496

                                          Thanks Mark
                                          Cheers,Peter
                                          "Merlins always drip oil, when they don't....worry!"

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