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  • AWOT
    Registered User
    • Apr 2012
    • 2

    P-40

    Some new information on the aircraft:
    Photography is Slawomir Lubomski of Gefizyka Toruń


    Sam Curtis is a plane codenamed Kittyhawk III side-HSB
    belonged to 260 Squadron,

    And here are photos taken by James Perk of Geofizyka Toruń: https://picasaweb.google.com/1146825...eat=directlink

    AWOT

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    • Dobbins
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      • Feb 2012
      • 448

      https://picasaweb.google.com/1146825...77135395445282

      Ok, what's he stealing?

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      • shepsair
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Oct 2009
        • 284

        P40

        Shay

        The P40 was first seen 27th Feb!

        The videos are from end of March. Even though a month later the damage was not as bad as I had expected when I thought it had only been known about for a week. We are now this was from a month it makes me feel a very small amount better.

        All of the plates and tags have gone but there are still a few hidden places and hopefully J can get out there soon to check.

        As for a press release, I am hoping there will be one shortly and after that it will hopefully also be in the main press. The situation with the pilot is the main reason why it has not been report as well as access to photos.

        Wait to hear that happens on Star Wars day.

        Dobbin - the Polish guys have not stolen anything!

        regards

        Mark

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        • pat1968
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          • Apr 2004
          • 260

          j ???
          "Only the dead see the end of the war" Plato

          www.hawkerhind.com

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          • Dobbins
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            • Feb 2012
            • 448

            Star Wars day????

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            • pat1968
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • Apr 2004
              • 260

              I'm not sure what the main stream press is going to do to help? If there is a serious plan to recover the aircraft then that would be the last thing you would want! There still doesn't seem to be an answer to the question who from the RAFM/AHC will go out there and recover it? If the idea is to ask the egyptian military to do a recovery the damage done so far will look like small beer!
              "Only the dead see the end of the war" Plato

              www.hawkerhind.com

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              • adrian_gray
                Which idiot let HIM in?
                • Jan 2000
                • 2989

                Originally posted by Dobbins
                Star Wars day????
                May the Fourth be with you...

                Adrian
                "Snow clearing equipment has been found under snowdrift" - message sent from RNAS Hatston, Orkney, 1944.

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                • Peter
                  Moderator
                  • Jan 2000
                  • 12508

                  Looks like efforts are underway to bring misc pieces back to the aircraft namely the prop is now closer with the spinner in front and some never before seen parts on site...
                  Also on that curtis dataplate, would the number 236 be any relation to airframe number ??
                  Lastly, one of the original picures of the rear fuselage I swaer I can see a 5 and 7 where the serial would be....
                  Cheers,Peter
                  "Merlins always drip oil, when they don't....worry!"

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                  • DaveM2
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                    • Jan 2000
                    • 761

                    Originally posted by pat1968
                    I'm not sure what the main stream press is going to do to help? If there is a serious plan to recover the aircraft then that would be the last thing you would want! There still doesn't seem to be an answer to the question who from the RAFM/AHC will go out there and recover it? If the idea is to ask the egyptian military to do a recovery the damage done so far will look like small beer!
                    Pat

                    The RAFM are doing all they can to secure the aircraft via official channels, however this is a slow process and the UK does not have huge sway with the Egyptian authorities (I suggested that they make a request that the local Egyptian army presence might place a guard on the wreck in the interim to curtail further damage). Unfortunately not likely and with the GPS location now posted I fear the worst.
                    Unfortunately with the find all over the interweb like a virus it has made the RAFM efforts a lot more difficult 'funding' wise also.

                    Dave

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                    • pat1968
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Apr 2004
                      • 260

                      The point i am trying to make is that it's all well and good trying to get permission to recover the aircraft but i don't see how the RAF museum is going to launch a major logistic exercise like this in the middle of the Sahara desert. The military will not deploy for two reasons 1) budget 2) security, MOD civilians will not deploy into Egypt on an official basis it's too dangerous. So what is the plan to secure the aircraft if the Egyptian government decide to allow a recovery?
                      "Only the dead see the end of the war" Plato

                      www.hawkerhind.com

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                      • Dobbins
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Feb 2012
                        • 448

                        Surely the RAFM are not the only contenders?

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                        • TonyT
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Oct 2006
                          • 9023

                          Shame they didn't tell people it had been found in an old minefield.

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                          • JgerMarty
                            Plastic Pilot
                            • Mar 2005
                            • 561

                            Originally posted by Bruce
                            No, the FW190 was absolutely complete when it was found. The cockpit was gutted in a similar way to this P40.

                            I know that 190 rather intimately!


                            Bruce
                            I obviously only saw later pics n footage any links avail of early images?

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                            • ozjag
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • Apr 2007
                              • 834

                              Long thread -please read all posts carefully

                              G'day

                              I think you guys should stop worrying about the missing 'dataplate', Ash has already told us that it is the canopy operating placard yet people still keep thinking it is the real dataplate.

                              Buz has also given us the exact locations to look for the aircraft serial number, perhaps someone who is in contact with the Polish geologists can ask them to look in the correct place and put everyone out of their misery as it appears they may still be in the general area and are able to get there every now and then. I also doubt the Poles would have created any of the damage, they are probably even more pi55ed off than us that their discovery is being treated this way, and they can see all of the first hand evidence.

                              Lastly, the latest set of photos clearly show an internal detonation in the fuselage which supports previous speculation that the IFF was possibly destroyed before the pilot abandoned the aircraft.

                              Paul
                              Facebook: Aussie Cockpits

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                              • ozjag
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • Apr 2007
                                • 834

                                Would it be appropriate for the mods to remove the crash co-ordinates from AWOTs post? I realise lots of people already know where it is but surely limiting that as much as possible may protect the airframe in a very small way, there is not much else useful that anyone on here can do at this stage.

                                Paul
                                Facebook: Aussie Cockpits

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                                • Peter
                                  Moderator
                                  • Jan 2000
                                  • 12508

                                  Co-ordinates removed but I can't help but feel that is like closing the gate after the horse has already gone...
                                  Cheers,Peter
                                  "Merlins always drip oil, when they don't....worry!"

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                                  • Max Wedge
                                    Registered User
                                    • Apr 2012
                                    • 6

                                    Unfortunately, this is part of why these things are often hush-hush.

                                    If it were me, I'd keep my mouth shut until it was in a container and at sea...maybe longer

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                                    • TonyT
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Oct 2006
                                      • 9023

                                      Agreed... And welcome.

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                                      • Fleet16b
                                        Fleet Pilot
                                        • Aug 2006
                                        • 269

                                        Originally posted by Max Wedge
                                        Unfortunately, this is part of why these things are often hush-hush.

                                        If it were me, I'd keep my mouth shut until it was in a container and at sea...maybe longer
                                        Seconded

                                        Andrew
                                        Welcome to the group

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                                        • Peter
                                          Moderator
                                          • Jan 2000
                                          • 12508

                                          Thinking along the same lines there too Andrew!
                                          Cheers,Peter
                                          "Merlins always drip oil, when they don't....worry!"

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