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  • David Burke
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Jan 2000
    • 10028

    Not really sure on that! -depends who does the rebuild and what the remit is!

    As for SAS and Chinook -they have been rather busy further east to have time to bother with an old wreck out in the desert!

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    • Steve Newman
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Aug 2010
      • 81

      What a great shame, the story of the pilot, the loss and the airframe all being lost to us... Think I'd rather it did go on Ebay, least it would have a chance to pass on its story/secrets to someone interested, rather than suffer the death of a thousand screwdrivers...

      Steve

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      • Dobbins
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Feb 2012
        • 448

        At this rate the RAFM won't want it anyway. A great opportunity lost.

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        • Desoto
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Dec 2008
          • 31

          Paul,
          The knob which has been unscrewed is fron the hydraulic hand pump lever.
          The plaque which has been removed is the canopy operation detail placard these were either alloy or a plastic type placard. The gear which is now sitting on the cockpit floor looks like the lower gear out of the reduction gear housing. It does become rather painful to sit here and watch a gradual decline in what was initially such an amazing find.
          Cheers,
          Ash.

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          • Snoopy7422
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Oct 2011
            • 840

            Numpty.

            Originally posted by RearGunner
            Vandalised & ripped apart by the locals = the same treatment it would recieve returning it to airworthy condition.
            That has to be about the most prattish comment I've seen on here, which is saying something...

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            • JgerMarty
              Plastic Pilot
              • Mar 2005
              • 561

              Originally posted by David Burke
              As for SAS and Chinook -they have been rather busy further east to have time to bother with an old wreck out in the desert!
              Oh well, their weapons won't need zero'ing!

              The FHC FW190 was in worse condition than this P40, the cockpit was gutted IIRC

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              • skeeler
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Jul 2008
                • 142

                Zooming pictures 47 and 48 of https://picasaweb.google.com/1146825...at=directlink#
                I can make out some numbers on the engine block/cylinder heads. I'm guessing that these are just part numbers but just in case they could be significant here they are:-
                '40635' on the right
                '34354 followed by what looks like 'pp and an A or 4 in a circle, on the left.
                '41602' on the left.
                Also the letters 'AUST' printed in black on the inside of the engine cowling on the right - could be part of the word 'EXHAUST' ?
                Sorry if these are just 'red herrings' but I haven't seen anyone referring to these details?

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                • Dobbins
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Feb 2012
                  • 448

                  Originally posted by Shay
                  Am I correct in seeing that the dataplate with the serial no. has been removed? Well atleast someone in the world knows the true identity of the aircraft. Even if they don't know they know it. Utterly asinine.

                  Shay
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                  Semper Fortis
                  Could/would the pilot perhaps have removed it? I can't imagine these locals knowing its significance, or indeed where to find it.

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                  • TEEJ
                    Rank 5 Registered User
                    • Oct 2005
                    • 2354

                    Originally posted by Dobbins
                    Could/would the pilot perhaps have removed it? I can't imagine these locals knowing its significance, or indeed where to find it.
                    Was the dataplate removed or passed onto the people featured in the following image? Were they UK representatives from the Embassy?

                    https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-S...0/DSC01767.JPG

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                    • TonyT
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Oct 2006
                      • 9023

                      gear in cockpit is probably where some muppet hurled it throughh the screens

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                      • Dobbins
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Feb 2012
                        • 448

                        Originally posted by TEEJ
                        Was the dataplate removed or passed onto the people featured in the following image? Were they UK representatives from the Embassy?

                        https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-S...0/DSC01767.JPG
                        Whoever they are they obviously don't want us to know. It's probably just a pile of scrap to them.

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                        • Jayce
                          Order of the Bent Pitot
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 495

                          I believe they're members of the Polish & Egyptian team who first stumbled across it.

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                          • Bruce
                            Independent analyst
                            • Jan 2000
                            • 10224

                            Originally posted by JgerMarty
                            The FHC FW190 was in worse condition than this P40, the cockpit was gutted IIRC
                            No, the FW190 was absolutely complete when it was found. The cockpit was gutted in a similar way to this P40.

                            I know that 190 rather intimately!


                            Bruce

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                            • paulmcmillan
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • Jan 2000
                              • 2650

                              Originally posted by skeeler
                              Zooming pictures 47 and 48 of https://picasaweb.google.com/1146825...at=directlink#
                              I can make out some numbers on the engine block/cylinder heads. I'm guessing that these are just part numbers but just in case they could be significant here they are:-
                              '40635' on the right
                              '34354 followed by what looks like 'pp and an A or 4 in a circle, on the left.
                              '41602' on the left.
                              Also the letters 'AUST' printed in black on the inside of the engine cowling on the right - could be part of the word 'EXHAUST' ?
                              Sorry if these are just 'red herrings' but I haven't seen anyone referring to these details?
                              skeeler
                              I can see where you are coming from, have you got a cleaner processed image of these numbers?
                              Thanks
                              Paul
                              Weather - Fair with cloudy patches, clear by early evening.

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                              • Bob
                                Bob
                                Aerophile
                                • Jan 2000
                                • 3657

                                24 pages and I've gone from an initial feeling of sceptism (very good model maker) to a peak of delight (actual video footage) that something real had been found, and am now cast into a pit of despair and anger that this is just being ripped apart by either people who don't know better or it is being destroyed in some symbolic anti-western, anti-infidel demonstration. If it really was on "military lands" as some have suggested then their security sucks...

                                Under my gruff exterior lies an even gruffer interior...

                                行雲流水

                                Warbirdskies Blog

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                                • Shay
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Oct 2006
                                  • 24

                                  How come there hasn't been any media attention? (none that I'm aware of) There are tons of new media outlets, online and not, regergitating the same soggy Burmese Spitfire stories over and over again. But not one mention of this facinating story. Not a single peep in the news.

                                  EXTRA EXTRA, READ ALL ABOUT IT!!! "Lost Fighter Found in Desert After 70 Years" "Evidence of Lost Pilot's Bleak Last Moments Found" "Royal Air Force Pilot's Fight to Stay Alive in the Eygptian Desert" "Ignorant Locals Stealing and Destroying WW2 Time Capsule Fighter"

                                  I'd sure tune-in. Maybe what this Kittyhawk needs is more mainstream attention besides Wing-nuts and Modelers websites.

                                  Shay
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                                  Semper Fortis

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                                  • skeeler
                                    Rank 5 Registered User
                                    • Jul 2008
                                    • 142

                                    Originally posted by paulmcmillan
                                    skeeler
                                    I can see where you are coming from, have you got a cleaner processed image of these numbers?
                                    Thanks
                                    Paul
                                    Paulmcmillan,
                                    I tried enhancing the pictures in various ways with iPhoto, but found that the zoom feature in picasaweb where the pictures are displayed was better. I'll continue to play around with the images iof somebody can confirm whether it's worth doing. There's not a lot of point unless the numbers could be either an engine serial or a copy of the airframe number, but the latter seems somewhat doubtful as engines get changed.I also looked at the cockpit shots on pictures 45 and 46 and there is an intriguing rectangle beneath the 'coolant warning' symbol to the right of the instrument panel. Is this where the ID Plate would have been located. It looks as if there is either a plate beneath obscured by muck or a plate has been removed and ingrained dust leaving a vague impression of figures remains? I'll continue playing around with the images to see if I can get any further info.

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                                    • Dobbins
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Feb 2012
                                      • 448

                                      Because, as Gordon Beckles once wrote, 'There is glamour about the word "Spitfire"'. The general public wouldn't know a P-40 from a B-52.

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                                      • Propstrike
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • Mar 2004
                                        • 4003

                                        Originally posted by Propstrike
                                        The internet works both ways, and it is likely that the 'finders' know about the great interest in their discovery, and with satellite connections may well be reading threads such as this one.

                                        It has seeped into the public consciousness that ' Warbirds = big bucks ' so they are unlikely to damage/destroy their asset. Also, as the ones who found it ( if they are ) they will probably feel a sense of ownership/protection , and given its ultra remote and hostile environment, it is not available for every passing idiot to tear a lump out of it.

                                        If they are discrete as to its whereabouts , and sensible, the outlook should be encouraging.
                                        It hurts to be so wrong

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                                        • Augsburgeagle
                                          Rank 5 Registered User
                                          • Jan 2009
                                          • 548

                                          I'm disappointed to see that my worries about the future of this aircraft were sadly well founded

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