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  • beachcomber
    Mike Brewser

    #21
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    My friend works in the Sahara looking for oil and gas. Recently, however, they came upon something completely different ...

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    The plane lay so many years is not bothered by anyone. The finder of the wreck told the RAF and were able to identify aircraft. We do not know why he was only at that particular place. It may puzzle some time find a solution.

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    No good trinket.

    Posting 3
    It's like I Curtiss P-40 "Kittyhawk" / or "Tomahawk" / - had them equipped squadrons in the RAF in 1943 Zach.Afryce

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    It's a shame that there are no pictures of the side - then the markings on the hull lterowych might be tempted to decipher the individual.

    Posting 5
    Give us, in a workshop wyklepia and will even fly

    Okay, jokes aside, but it's really interesting thing. I remember as a few-dozen years ago I read about a bomber ... I already found http://www.ladybegood.net/index.htm

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    Well as our wyklepali it would still be two F-16 came out and a piece of Hercules ...

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    Massacre! Please send me more information and additional photos :-)

    put through Google translate, I can't see any clues here.... thoughts
    Pedantic I haven't been that for 4 minutes 36 secs
    http://www.arc-design-it.co.uk

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    • ian_
      Rank 5 Registered User

      #22
      The cockpit shot and close up of the radio hatch surely can't be a model. The detail is perfect even down to correct screws. Fetch me my sun cream and Panama hat.

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      • Augsburgeagle
        Rank 5 Registered User

        #23
        Just to give a bit of Credence to the photo's. The last one cockpit photo shows that only the clock has been removed (and what ever is in the top left of the instrument panel), this was common practice when leaving force landed aircraft, the germans often removed the compasses too. I think you would have to be a very diligent modeler to get that detail correct!
        I wonder what will become of it if it has not already been vandalised by now

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        • John Aeroclub
          Rank 5 Registered User

          #24
          I was in Libya in 1960/61 and there was a strong rumour that an italian aircraft had been found and nearby was an 'American fighter bomber' which had damaged each other.
          The Italian later was found to be a SM79 in quite intact condition( I believe the one in the photos shown by Massimo on Hyperscale) but I recall hearing no other info ref the 'fighter bomber'.
          When the P40 crashed, the area could have been totally sandy and the wreck covered and revealed many times over the years. As a modeller I think this is real but I would have expected this to be top news if the RAF have been asked for an ID and if the photos are recent and not digital copies.

          John

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          • spit1940
            Rank 5 Registered User

            #25
            As others have said there is something wrong with the pictures.The close up of the roundal area for me is a little odd.The structure appears right but the paint work is in a condition i would not expect.Also surely the cockpit would have more sand in it if the canopy was left open for 70 odd years.Somebody prove me wrong!

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            • Discendo Duces
              Rank 5 Registered User

              #26
              Looks like a model to me.

              DD

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              • Beaufighter VI
                Rank 5 Registered User

                #27
                Originally posted by spit1940
                As others have said there is something wrong with the pictures.The close up of the roundal area for me is a little odd.The structure appears right but the paint work is in a condition i would not expect.Also surely the cockpit would have more sand in it if the canopy was left open for 70 odd years.Somebody prove me wrong!
                The detail around the hatch in my mind is so accurate and reminds me of the P-40 recovered from Russia by TFC. Note angle of shadow of door and compare angle of sun in other shots.
                On the aircraft recovered from Russia one side of the fuselage was very bleached but the other clearly showed markings, even pencil marks on the hatch.
                Yes you do get sunshine in Russia and extremes of temperature.
                " I'm not young enough to know everything." - J M Barrie 1903

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                • MancFrank
                  Beer, fags and skittles

                  #28
                  No - one here got a background in P.I. then??

                  It's real.

                  Regards,
                  Frank

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                  • Whitley_Project
                    If in doubt apply heat..

                    #29
                    Looks real to me

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                    • Mark V
                      Steve Atkin

                      #30
                      I do agree that the first two shots were slightly suspect looking - but the detailed shots - I am convinced its real too, an extraordinary discovery...
                      www.warbirdcolour.co.uk

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                      • TempestNut
                        Rank 5 Registered User

                        #31
                        If the photos were taken with a compact digital camera as we suspect then they look real to me. Compacts often "over process" photo's, especially in strong or poor light. I have worked in the desert and immediately felt that the light and conditions looked right. But there are some clever people about when it comes to the use of Photoshop, so you can never tell.
                        TN

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                        • Dobbins
                          Rank 5 Registered User

                          #32
                          The first 3 photos do look like they're straight out of Thunderbirds...

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                          • Peter
                            Moderator

                            #33
                            I think its real.. it was probably buried for years under the shifting sand...
                            Cheers,Peter
                            "Merlins always drip oil, when they don't....worry!"

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                            • Bruce
                              Independent analyst

                              #34
                              If pictures 1-3 were a little better, it would be wholly convincing.

                              Pictures 4 and 5 are very, very compelling.

                              The 190 picture was poor in comparison.



                              Bruce

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                              • DazDaMan
                                Rank 5 Registered User

                                #35
                                I reckon it's the real McCoy. However, if it's a diorama, then holy crap!
                                Daren Cogdon

                                Spitfire fanatic

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                                • jimbob1194
                                  Rank 5 Registered User

                                  #36
                                  I also think it's real. What an amazing find. If not then wow incredible work!

                                  James
                                  The Mustang won't do what a Spitfire does, but it does it over Berlin.

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                                  • MK959
                                    Benjamin Gilbert

                                    #37
                                    I'm convinced it's true.
                                    It must be recovered by all means.

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                                    • James D
                                      Rank 5 Registered User

                                      #38
                                      I think its real - and I can 3d model and photoshop, so I have some idea.
                                      Have YOU used the "Will it be at Legends" joke yet today?

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                                      • brewerjerry
                                        Rank 5 Registered User

                                        #39
                                        Hi

                                        quote from link

                                        "The plane lay so many years is not bothered by anyone. The finder of the wreck told the RAF and were able to identify aircraft. We do not know why he was only at that particular place. It may puzzle some time find a solution. "

                                        So the RAF in UK should know all about the history of this aircraft.

                                        anyone in the UK going to call the AHB ?

                                        It would be nice to be real but personally it looks like a very good fake.
                                        cheers
                                        Jerry

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                                        • shepsair
                                          Rank 5 Registered User

                                          #40
                                          P40E

                                          Jerry,

                                          Assuming real to start with, going on the last two photos.

                                          I am assuming it is a P40E either US serial or UK code.

                                          I rang someone at AHB and they know nothing about it!?

                                          So if the code is known, will be easy to find out if missing. (If any of us stumbled across this would take quite a few photos and anything to ID the airframe).

                                          Trouble is that is looking at it not from a layperson point of view!?

                                          Need to try and contact with 'AWOL' - seems no previous links to site or registration?

                                          regards

                                          Mark

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