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  • paulmcmillan
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Jan 2000
    • 2650

    Maybe.. A BIG BIG MAYBE

    From KITTYHAWK PILOT

    "The following day, 23 October 1942, the last day before the major Allied offensive, enemy fighters put forth a particularly fine effort. 260 pilots were involved in heavy dogfights and Sgt Cartwright recorded: "Pilots racing to go after recent victories. 1st show: 109's shoot up Mink in N. Crash-lands. 2nd show: 109's get going again and shoot down B and C one pilot safe. 3rd show: they shoot down Sheppard (comes back O.K.) and damaged X and O badly. We only get one damaged and Shep got a Macchi." Pilot Officer Mink, the American, was shot down in the first show by one of the German aces of Jagdgeschwader 27. Warrant Officer E. Tomlinson, one of the new Canadians with 260, was killed and Sergeant Colley was shot down in the second show. In the third show, Sergeant Sheppard was shot down and Kittys flown by P/O Thornhill and F/O Aitchison were badly shot up. It had been a good day for the Macchi pilots. No German claims were recorded for Tomlinson, Colley, Sheppard, Thornhill or Aitchison.
    "The big push at Alamein started tonight when tanks advanced," Sgt Cartwright wrote in his diary on 23 October 1942. The final battle for El Alamein had opened."

    Colley is F/Sgt (Pilot) John C. COLLEY - 1378464 - 260 Sqn (Nefatia, Libya), who died of wounds or injuries received in action 10-3-1943


    Tomlinson is Canadian Warrant Officer Eric Tomlinson on El Alamein memorial

    Colley forcelanded his aircraft on this date but got back ok...
    Weather - Fair with cloudy patches, clear by early evening.

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    • Bruce
      Independent analyst
      • Jan 2000
      • 10222

      Paul,

      Just how big is your Library?

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      • DCK
        DCK
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Feb 2006
        • 1362

        Amazing with modellers and Photoshop geeks can do these days :diablo:
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        • David Burke
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Jan 2000
          • 10027

          I think what will determine what restoration this aircraft gets is the size of the cheque!

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          • paulmcmillan
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Jan 2000
            • 2650

            Originally posted by Bruce
            Paul,

            Just how big is your Library?
            That was a google search

            My Air Britain Serial books are at home :-(
            Weather - Fair with cloudy patches, clear by early evening.

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            • Sutts
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • Jun 2010
              • 26

              Looks like they tried to get at the guns with a can opener!

              I fail to understand why every little panel has to be damaged in their treasure hunt. What's the story around the oil tank panel in front of the windscreen?

              Perhaps they thought the pilot was trying to smuggle out some antiquities when he ran out of fuel? Muppets.

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              • Dobbins
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Feb 2012
                • 448

                Originally posted by Sutts
                Looks like they tried to get at the guns with a can opener!

                I fail to understand why every little panel has to be damaged in their treasure hunt. What's the story around the oil tank panel in front of the windscreen?

                Perhaps they thought the pilot was trying to smuggle out some antiquities when he ran out of fuel? Muppets.
                The ring and bead gunsight went missing too...

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                • shepsair
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Oct 2009
                  • 284

                  P40E

                  Also 'Stocky' Edwards story book is free for Kindle and also on line if you look hard enough.

                  Think I posted a link way back either on here or WIX

                  Has book carries a diary, loses, claims, missing, killed etc etc.

                  Don't you just love google and the internet.
                  Some other good news, but yourself (Bruce) and Paul already know that.

                  Mark

                  Love F/Sgt 'Shep' Sheppard was involved!!! Must be related.

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                  • inkworm
                    Rank outsider
                    • Jan 2010
                    • 1264

                    Originally posted by shepsair
                    Also 'Stocky' Edwards story book is free for Kindle and also on line if you look hard enough.
                    Kittyhawk Pilot is going on the kindle now so thanks for the link.
                    Push enough pixels around and it'll look like an aeroplane profile.

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                    • RAFRochford
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Feb 2006
                      • 910

                      Interesting info..

                      Hi all;

                      This very interesting bit of info was posted by Terry McGrady over on Hyperscale;

                      "On 28/6/42 ET574 Piloted by F/Sgt DCH Copping 785025 left 260 for a ferry flight to an RSU . The A/C flew with u/c locked down due to damage . An incorrect course was set and the A/C was thought to have crashed in the Desert due to fuel exhaustion.
                      F/Sgt Copping is listed as missing on that date
                      Now I'm not saying this is the A/C , just that it MIGHT be, in view of :-
                      a) there being no apparent signs of Battle damage
                      b) the fact that the U/C was wiped off in the crash"

                      Could be a possibility?

                      Regards;
                      Steve

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                      • GrahamF
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Oct 2007
                        • 467

                        Originally posted by Bruce
                        Someone has nicked the ID plate out of the cockpit!

                        Just four holes remain.



                        Bruce
                        So does that now make it a replica or a recreation?
                        "The 262's most dangerous opponent :- Hawker Tempest - extremely fast at low altitudes, highly-manoeuvrable and heavily-armed."
                        (H. Lange, 262 pilot)

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                        • Bruce
                          Independent analyst
                          • Jan 2000
                          • 10222

                          Looks like battle damage on the aircraft to me, but there may be a different cause.

                          Bruce

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                          • GrahamF
                            Rank 5 Registered User
                            • Oct 2007
                            • 467

                            Originally posted by Bruce
                            Looks like battle damage on the aircraft to me, but there may be a different cause.

                            Bruce
                            I fear you missed my joke!
                            "The 262's most dangerous opponent :- Hawker Tempest - extremely fast at low altitudes, highly-manoeuvrable and heavily-armed."
                            (H. Lange, 262 pilot)

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                            • Dobbins
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • Feb 2012
                              • 448

                              Originally posted by RAFRochford
                              Hi all;

                              This very interesting bit of info was posted over on Hyperscale;

                              "On 28/6/42 ET574 Piloted by F/Sgt DCH Copping 785025 left 260 for a ferry flight to an RSU . The A/C flew with u/c locked down due to damage . An incorrect course was set and the A/C was thought to have crashed in the Desert due to fuel exhaustion.
                              F/Sgt Copping is listed as missing on that date
                              Now I'm not saying this is the A/C , just that it MIGHT be, in view of :-
                              a) there being no apparent signs of Battle damage
                              b) the fact that the U/C was wiped off in the crash"

                              Could be a possibility?

                              Regards;
                              Steve
                              The elevator looks like it has flak damage. Nevertheless, that at least tallies with the physical evidence so shouldn't be dismissed.

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                              • Bruce
                                Independent analyst
                                • Jan 2000
                                • 10222

                                Originally posted by GrahamF
                                I fear you missed my joke!
                                No, sorry Graham, I started answering before you did, but someone came to the door, so I didnt see your post.

                                I suspect that plate is in someones wallet!



                                Bruce

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                                • shepsair
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Oct 2009
                                  • 284

                                  P40

                                  :-(

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                                  • Dobbins
                                    Rank 5 Registered User
                                    • Feb 2012
                                    • 448

                                    F/Sgt DCH Copping is listed as dying on 28 June 1942 on cwgc so not 'missing'

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                                    • Atcham Tower
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Mar 2005
                                      • 780

                                      Sadly, Flt Sgt Copping didn't make it. He came from Southend-on-Sea and is commemorated on the Alamein Memorial. If that is indeed his aircraft, it needs to be treated with a lot more respect than it's getting ...

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                                      • Creaking Door
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • Sep 2006
                                        • 9863

                                        Originally posted by RAFRochford
                                        On 28/6/42 ET574 Piloted by F/Sgt DCH Copping 785025 left 260 for a ferry flight to an RSU . The A/C flew with u/c locked down due to damage . An incorrect course was set and the A/C was thought to have crashed in the Desert due to fuel exhaustion.
                                        F/Sgt Copping is listed as missing on that date
                                        Now I'm not saying this is the A/C , just that it MIGHT be, in view of :-
                                        a) there being no apparent signs of Battle damage
                                        b) the fact that the U/C was wiped off in the crash
                                        Interesting indeed; particularly considering the wheels-down landing in possibly unsuitable terrain.

                                        Originally posted by Dobbins
                                        The elevator looks like it has flak damage...
                                        Couldn’t it have flown with existing ‘flak damage’ on this ferry flight?
                                        WA$.

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                                        • Augsburgeagle
                                          Rank 5 Registered User
                                          • Jan 2009
                                          • 548

                                          I find it difficult to look at the photos without knowing the aircraft is safe!

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