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  • Timc63
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Jan 2012
    • 76

    Remarkable photographs, amazing how well preserved it is, let's hope it stays that way.

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    • Bruce
      Independent analyst
      • Jan 2000
      • 10223

      Anyone still think its a model?!

      Amazing, amazing pictures. Answers most of the questions - except for the serial!!

      Plenty of sand in the cockpit!



      Bruce

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      • paulmcmillan
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Jan 2000
        • 2650

        Definitely see "HS" (260 Sqn) code on that
        Weather - Fair with cloudy patches, clear by early evening.

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        • paulmcmillan
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Jan 2000
          • 2650

          PS do I see HS-B on Image Orbaz151?
          Weather - Fair with cloudy patches, clear by early evening.

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          • Bruce
            Independent analyst
            • Jan 2000
            • 10223

            Someone has nicked the ID plate out of the cockpit!

            Just four holes remain.



            Bruce

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            • Creaking Door
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • Sep 2006
              • 9863

              Originally posted by Dobbins
              Amazing photographs! Thanks for the link.

              I think those flare cartridges are the individual cells of the dry battery?

              So, the pilot attempted a wheels-down landing but the undercarriage did not survive the terrain and the aircraft finished-up on its belly. At least these photographs explain the (apparent) lack of cowling damage when the propeller and reduction gear were ripped from the airframe.

              I do hope the opportunity to preserve this time capsule isnt lost after so long.
              WA$.

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              • mantog
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Mar 2006
                • 419

                My God, those pictures, they're incredible! Gives hope that there could be more examples of WW2 aircraft in this condition elsewhere.

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                • Dobbins
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Feb 2012
                  • 448

                  Yeah, that's make more sense re. the battery cells. I was getting ahead of myself! What's the bloke holding in the second to last photo?

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                  • Peter
                    Moderator
                    • Jan 2000
                    • 12507

                    A parachute..
                    Cheers,Peter
                    "Merlins always drip oil, when they don't....worry!"

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                    • inkworm
                      Rank outsider
                      • Jan 2010
                      • 1264

                      Amazing set of photos, so with all that detail how long before a modeller builds a diorama?

                      And agree that it looks like a 'B' in photo 151
                      Push enough pixels around and it'll look like an aeroplane profile.

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                      • Sutts
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Jun 2010
                        • 26

                        Look at the shrapnel exit holes in picture 6 row 3.

                        I wonder if that could have been caused by some explosive device in the rear fuselage to destroy the radio or IFF transmitter?

                        Maybe that's what forced open and distorted the fuselage hatch too?

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                        • Peter
                          Moderator
                          • Jan 2000
                          • 12507

                          Originally posted by paulmcmillan
                          PS do I see HS-B on Image Orbaz151?
                          I cant make out the B in the code??
                          Cheers,Peter
                          "Merlins always drip oil, when they don't....worry!"

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                          • Snoopy7422
                            Rank 5 Registered User
                            • Oct 2011
                            • 840

                            Fingers Crossed.

                            Great photos, but I hope this a/c doesn't share the fate of Lady Be Good and end up as a tattered pile of scrap. As for a 'time capsule', well, you'd have to leave it in situ and ...... Naaaaa..... Not another pile of scrap cluttering up a museum - puleeeease.... Lets hops she gets back into the air, or at the very least, into proper static condition.

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                            • Daniel
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • Sep 2009
                              • 947

                              This photo has me very CURIOUS - https://picasaweb.google.com/1146825...89981343253970 - its a US built Kittyhawk from 1941/42 maybe so what is a aircraft part from Australia doing this aircraft? Does this mean this is a RAAF aircraft now?

                              Whats the reason a Australian company would supply Curtis with such a part doesnt seem right when the RAAF was importing P-40 and i am highly skeptical that Australia would export such items to US? Now if this was inserted into the aircraft in Australia before deployment to Africa???

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                              • Bruce
                                Independent analyst
                                • Jan 2000
                                • 10223

                                Its the old, old argument.

                                If you restore it to fly, you'll throw away 50% of it

                                If you restore it to full static, you'll throw away 30% of it.

                                Its about interpretation. Properly presented, and laid out much as it is now, it would be a fantastic exhibit, and far more valuable as an artifact than it would be if restored.

                                No, recover it, but leave it alone please.



                                Bruce

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                                • Creaking Door
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Sep 2006
                                  • 9863

                                  Originally posted by Bruce
                                  No, recover it, but leave it alone please.
                                  I agree!

                                  That ‘grey crumble’ under the engine in photograph 62 (of the 66); is it the remains of some parts of the alloy engine castings? There are some other (rusty) steel engine components on the sand, without any sign of alloy casings; would that possibly indicate a small engine fire post-landing? And the fact that most of the aircraft is unburnt would that possibly indicate the fuel was exhausted?

                                  Pure speculation I know, but I’m afraid, this is a close as I’m ever going to get to the crash-site!
                                  WA$.

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                                  • Creaking Door
                                    Rank 5 Registered User
                                    • Sep 2006
                                    • 9863

                                    Originally posted by Daniel
                                    Now if this was inserted into the aircraft in Australia before deployment to Africa???
                                    The battery would probably be a replaceable short-life component; it wouldnt have to come from the aircraft supplier?
                                    WA$.

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                                    • Dobbins
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Feb 2012
                                      • 448

                                      Agreed, this should not go back into the air. If anything if should be left as it is (note to video people, leave it be) unlike Duxford's 109...

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                                      • shepsair
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • Oct 2009
                                        • 284

                                        P40E

                                        Amazing

                                        Yep, I see HS-B

                                        Still no visible serial but we know where to look.

                                        A certain 'Stocky' Edwards of 260Sqn flew HS-B often and he is still with us in Canada.

                                        Unfortunately everything being prised open to see if anything valuable :-(

                                        Not good but amazing anyway.

                                        Mark

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                                        • paulmcmillan
                                          Rank 5 Registered User
                                          • Jan 2000
                                          • 2650

                                          Australian part = battery a standard commodity component from stores manufactured all over the place in any county

                                          They could get replacement anywhere e.g. I have had tyres on my car from many countries but all the same size!
                                          Weather - Fair with cloudy patches, clear by early evening.

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