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  • John Aeroclub
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    • Jul 2006
    • 2770

    I have found split/broken WW.1 303 British (cordite strands) cartridges on the Somme and German Black powder rounds with loose heads, both having been exposed to the weather for nearly 70 years, and set fire to the emptied contents (singly) with a satisfying woomph. All ammunition is dangerous and anything bigger, just tiptoe away. I once persuaded a young chap and his mother that the "exhaust pipes" he'd found and were rattling around in the car boot were in fact unfired Stokes Mortar rounds (which do look like small exhaust silencers) with very corroded pins still just in place.. As for any rescuers recovering the ammo originally I don't think they would have bothered, The radio possibly.

    John

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    • Dobbins
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      • Feb 2012
      • 448

      The amount of ammo would also back up the getting lost and running out of fuel theory.

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      • Peter
        Moderator
        • Jan 2000
        • 12509

        Not sure about the running out of gas thoery.. looks like fire damage on the cowling to me..?
        Cheers,Peter
        "Merlins always drip oil, when they don't....worry!"

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        • Beaufighter VI
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Sep 2005
          • 536

          Each time you look at the video you see more. Note flak holes visible inside the fuselage stbd. side, port tailplane one hole, top rear fuselage damage and of course the exit holes by the hatch port side.
          " I'm not young enough to know everything." - J M Barrie 1903

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          • Mark12
            MEANS MOTIVE OPPORTUNITY
            • Jan 2000
            • 10863

            Originally posted by Peter
            Not sure about the running out of gas thoery.. looks like fire damage on the cowling to me..?
            We know where it came from. We know what it was doing. We know where it was found. Why would it be there, miles from the the operational coastal area?

            Not totally lost and out of fuel then?

            Mark
            "...the story had been forensically examined and was deeply impressive. I knew that the whole story was a load of myth and baloney"

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              Originally posted by Dobbins
              The amount of ammo would also back up the getting lost and running out of fuel theory.
              Why??

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              • Jayce
                Order of the Bent Pitot
                • Nov 2010
                • 495

                Could'a been lost, could'a been a standing patrol looking for enemy movements way out there, Could'a been a pursuit.... we could speculate all year. Lets wait for the serial to become known and see what the ORB tells us.

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                • TonyT
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Oct 2006
                  • 9023

                  The only thing that is 100% sure is we have never ever left one up there, they all come back to earth eventually....The rest is just conjecture.

                  As for ammo, a lot of the cold war bombs the ruskies used were simply surplus WW2 shells with fins added.

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                  • Dobbins
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                    • Feb 2012
                    • 448

                    Originally posted by Tangmere1940
                    Why??
                    In which case he might not have bumped into any bad guys and therefore didn't expend any ammo on this sortie, as opposed to being shot down in a combat scenario. Just a thought.

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                    • danjama
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                      • Nov 2010
                      • 432

                      We are in trouble. It's been posted on imgur gallery. This is now public knowledge.

                      p.s. dont read the comments, they will damage your IQ.

                      http://imgur.com/gallery/rF52T
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                      • Dobbins
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                        • Feb 2012
                        • 448

                        Originally posted by danjama
                        We are in trouble. It's been posted on imgur gallery. This is now public knowledge.

                        p.s. dont read the comments, they will damage your IQ.

                        http://imgur.com/gallery/rF52T
                        'As someone who appreciates random ****, Not bad.'

                        High brow stuff! IQ irreparably damaged...

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                        • QldSpitty
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Apr 2006
                          • 2625

                          Lady be good?Or a new one?
                          http://www.panoramio.com/photo/28506388
                          "If the C.O. ask's you to be Tail End Charlie...just shoot him!!!....A Piece of Cake.
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                          • Mark12
                            MEANS MOTIVE OPPORTUNITY
                            • Jan 2000
                            • 10863

                            LBG.

                            Mark

                            "...the story had been forensically examined and was deeply impressive. I knew that the whole story was a load of myth and baloney"

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                            • Banupa
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • Feb 2011
                              • 1025

                              Originally posted by John Aeroclub
                              I have found split/broken WW.1 303 British (cordite strands) cartridges on the Somme and German Black powder rounds with loose heads, both having been exposed to the weather for nearly 70 years, and set fire to the emptied contents (singly) with a satisfying woomph. All ammunition is dangerous and anything bigger, just tiptoe away. I once persuaded a young chap and his mother that the "exhaust pipes" he'd found and were rattling around in the car boot were in fact unfired Stokes Mortar rounds (which do look like small exhaust silencers) with very corroded pins still just in place.. As for any rescuers recovering the ammo originally I don't think they would have bothered, The radio possibly.

                              John
                              In my youth, around 1960, my cousin and I used to plane spot at Biggin Hill. To avoid ejection by grown ups, we used to sneak through the woods to get to the hangar at the far side. During one sortie, I nearly trod on something that looked like a shell or mortar . I retreated and careful circumnavigated the item, taking great care no to tread on any others there. I wonder if they still lay in the woods there?
                              Lee
                              Cap'n Plug
                              www.afac.co.uk

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                              • shepsair
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • Oct 2009
                                • 284

                                P40

                                Bit more by someone there

                                The Egyptian government have been informed by the military. The army took only ammunition of the airplane to not hit the wrong hands. At the moment the plane is in the same state as in the movie. there is practically no possibility of the devastation of this plane because it is army complex - patrolled by the army.
                                The plane was found incidentally - do not do the explorations..
                                in mid-April, I'll try to go to the place where the plane - it will put more videos.

                                or now, I found this information:
                                AIRPLANE H87A-3
                                PART NO. 87-69-714R
                                CAL. 50, CAP.155 RDS
                                R.H. GUN BOX NO 2
                                I have a few pictures from the cockpit - I will try to end the week to include them on the internet - give them a link

                                regards

                                Mark

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                                • paulmcmillan
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Jan 2000
                                  • 2650

                                  Well Buz was spot on H87-A3 = P-40E-1CU

                                  So Serial will be one of either 420

                                  RAF ET100 to ET519 USAAF 41-24776 to 41-25195 C/N 19287 to 19706


                                  or one of either 1080

                                  RAF ET520 to ET1030 (ET1000-> ET 1030 Manufacturers Error became EV100 to EV130) then EV100 to EV699

                                  USAAF 41-35874 to 41-36953 C/N 19707 to 20786
                                  Weather - Fair with cloudy patches, clear by early evening.

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                                  • Dobbins
                                    Rank 5 Registered User
                                    • Feb 2012
                                    • 448

                                    Bingo!

                                    https://picasaweb.google.com/1146825...eat=directlink

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                                    • Dr Strangelove
                                      Doktor Merkwrdigliebe
                                      • May 2008
                                      • 1384

                                      Can't open the link, Her Maj has blocked it, any clues :?
                                      Sometimes it's better to be a bumblebee than it is to be Professor Heinkel.

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                                      • Dobbins
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • Feb 2012
                                        • 448

                                        It's in the youtube video you. Amazing photos!

                                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFe8CsOdoG8

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                                        • Dobbins
                                          Rank 5 Registered User
                                          • Feb 2012
                                          • 448

                                          There's plenty of flare cartridges on the ground, so maybe the pilot was able to be picked up...

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