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  • shepsair
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Oct 2009
    • 284

    P40

    Ian,

    Ammo boxes might have had painted serials but were interchangable so could not be relied on to ID the airframe.

    FHC Fw190A-5 had four ammunition boxes and one had the serial from another A-4 model. The battery box cover had a serial from another as well. Need to look at the aiframe.

    Pilot back armour has construction number. Serial would be fainly visible in a good photo. There are other plates. Trouble it is not in front of me (and most of the others on this site) to confirm

    The original poster did confirm the ID is known and the RAFM are aware of it so obviously officialdom are keeping quiet as you would expect if there are discussing the options with Egypt!

    Could well be put on display at El Alamein museum but would prefer to see her side by side with Black 6. Give the P40N at the RAFM to Egypt!!!

    P40N rebuild from bits against wartime veteran. No other wartime surviving P40's from ME exist (except the Italian one recovered from Anzio if that counds).

    regards

    Mark

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    • Dobbins
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Feb 2012
      • 448

      The tail wheel doors are open so it looks like he tried to land it and the undercarriage gave way.

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      • Beaufighter VI
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Sep 2005
        • 537

        Originally posted by D1566
        Hence the oil drops visible on the 'hatch' photo ... it all falls into place ... (eating hat as he types!)
        The P-40 has a canopy locking mechanism. Look at the winding handle, at the bottom you will see a latch and also holes in the disc, the latch engages with the holes allowing the canopy to be locked in a set position.

        Rather than oil all the guy needed to do was reach through the gap between canopy and screen, lift the latch and wind the handle, hey presto maybe!
        " I'm not young enough to know everything." - J M Barrie 1903

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        • Augsburgeagle
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Jan 2009
          • 548

          This certainly was an entertaining thread!
          However I think we should all be very concerned for the future of this aircraft.......

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          • Dobbins
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Feb 2012
            • 448

            Just realised the canopy is fully intact in the first video and not the second. Hmmm. I can't see the ring and bead gunsight in the second video either.

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            • MK959
              Benjamin Gilbert
              • Aug 2003
              • 334

              Incredible and fanstatic to learn about this new P-40 survivor.
              It's a time capsule - WOW, WOW, WOW!

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              • H87A-2
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Sep 2009
                • 31

                P-40

                Gents

                After a quick view of the video, this aircraft would be a P-40E-1CU.

                Buz

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                • Snoopy7422
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Oct 2011
                  • 840

                  So much for Photoshop.

                  Like I said. Blindingly obvious it was real.....

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                  • Beaufighter VI
                    Rank 5 Registered User
                    • Sep 2005
                    • 537

                    Further to previous post on canopy winding handle, the lock peg can engage one of two holes as it rotates. Further observation is that the ignition switch is "OFF".

                    Procedure for engine failure during flight;
                    Maintain 100 mph
                    Land with gear retracted
                    Fuel off
                    Ignition off
                    Lower flaps
                    Battery off
                    Open cockpit
                    Land with as high an angle of attack as possible
                    " I'm not young enough to know everything." - J M Barrie 1903

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                    • MK959
                      Benjamin Gilbert
                      • Aug 2003
                      • 334

                      Originally posted by H87A-2
                      Gents

                      After a quick view of the video, this aircraft would be a P-40E-1CU.

                      Buz
                      Buz, it's a lend-lease aircraft then?

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                      • DCK
                        DCK
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Feb 2006
                        • 1362

                        Originally posted by Discendo Duces
                        Looks like a model to me.

                        DD
                        Still does, or?
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                        • DC Page
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Oct 2008
                          • 318

                          I believe I have found the identity of this aircraft. Anyone else figured it out yet?

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                          • shepsair
                            Rank 5 Registered User
                            • Oct 2009
                            • 284

                            P40E

                            Buz

                            Did not think there were any physical differences (at least visibible in the video) between a Curtiss built P40E to British orders and one to lend lease orders.

                            DC, nope, but still looking. What do you think?

                            http://www.uswarplanes.net/p40.html

                            Mark

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                            • pagen01
                              St Mawganphile
                              • Aug 2007
                              • 10711

                              Oh well, it was fun while it lasted!
                              http://www.abpic.co.uk/search.php?q=...t=most_popular

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                              • RAFRochford
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • Feb 2006
                                • 916

                                I decided to keep my opinions to myself on this one, but did feel that it was real all along. My only doubt, as Mark12 pointed out, was when the photo's were actually taken.

                                As a keen modeller, there was no way these images were of a model. This level of detail is just unobtainable. One comment that appeared over at WIX earlier on in the discussion tickled me. It observed that all of the historic aviation buffs thought it was a model, the modelling buffs were convinced it was CGI, so what was the conclusion of the CGI buffs on CGI related forums??

                                Of course, the main concern is now for the future of this unique airframe. What a fantastic preservation opportunity...but how much of it is going to be plundered in the meantime? It is a tad worrying.

                                Also, when was the last time an airframe was discovered in such a complete state of preservation.

                                Either way, it is a remarkable discovery. I'm keeping my fingers firmly crossed.

                                Regards;
                                Steve

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                                • brewerjerry
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • May 2004
                                  • 921

                                  Hi
                                  Well just sitting down to humble pie for breakfast.

                                  It's nice to be wrong...

                                  So who in the UK is phoning the PM's office on monday to try get it out.
                                  Save it first figure out who it belongs to after is my thoughts.

                                  Now the important stuff
                                  Did they send any whirlwinds to eygpt ..nope..

                                  Cheers
                                  Jerry

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                                  • MK959
                                    Benjamin Gilbert
                                    • Aug 2003
                                    • 334

                                    Originally posted by RAFRochford
                                    Also, when was the last time an airframe was discovered in such a complete state of preservation.
                                    Not so long time - I would say 2004 when the russian P-39Q was recovered from Russia.

                                    http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/englis.../p39/index.htm

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                                    • RAFRochford
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Feb 2006
                                      • 916

                                      Thanks MK959,

                                      That P-39 was some find. Thanks for refreshing my memory. Still a rare occurrence in this day and age. I can't help wondering what else those desert sands conceal?

                                      Regards;
                                      Steve

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                                      • Dr Strangelove
                                        Doktor Merkwrdigliebe
                                        • May 2008
                                        • 1384

                                        Can't help wondering what became of the pilot?
                                        Sometimes it's better to be a bumblebee than it is to be Professor Heinkel.

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                                        • brewerjerry
                                          Rank 5 Registered User
                                          • May 2004
                                          • 921

                                          Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
                                          Can't help wondering what became of the pilot?
                                          Hi
                                          That just crossed my mind as well.
                                          cheers
                                          Jerry

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