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  • DaveF68
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Jun 2004
    • 1790

    It was only 'not Egypt's war' because the Allied forces stopped the Germans from advancing on the Nile/Suez - without that there would have been a lot more dead Egyptians and a German occupation of their country.

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    • Vega ECM
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Oct 2005
      • 492

      And of course we're the nice guys ?

      Remember in 1956 we along with a few others, created a fictional reason to attack Egypt and in the process killed somewhere between 2500-4000 of there citizens.........and we ourselves failed to achieve our objectives ......yes we lost.

      There's a lot of history and you mustn't be too selective.
      Last edited by Vega ECM; 1st January 2018, 22:03.

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      • QldSpitty
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Apr 2006
        • 2621

        Im working off memory but didnt the Malta Aviation Museum have a sea recovered P40 on display that has been perfectly preserved and on display.Or am I thinking of a different Museum.
        "If the C.O. ask's you to be Tail End Charlie...just shoot him!!!....A Piece of Cake.
        http://spitfirea58-27.blogspot.com.au/

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        • Consul
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Aug 2004
          • 1768

          QldSpitty. I suspect you are thinking of the example now displayed in Italy:
          http://p40hawksnest.co.nf/Survivors/42-10857.html
          "Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."(Mary Baker Eddy)

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          • jack windsor
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Dec 2008
            • 921

            if the 1943 event had not been successful, then the 1956 event would not have been possible...and history good or bad is where we've come from.

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            • l.garey
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • Feb 2006
              • 1951

              I was just sent this certificate of Dennis Copping's inscription on the El Alamein memorial. Maybe it has already been posted, but if so I can't find it.
              Attached Files
              Laurence

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              • Propstrike
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Mar 2004
                • 4000

                The Daily Mail is on the case now, with enough outrage for everyone !

                ''Egyptians give World War Two RAF Kittyhawk plane which crashed in the Sahara desert 70 years ago a 'hideous' shark's teeth makeover making it look 'like a badly-made AirFix model''

                Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz53914dkOk
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                Last edited by Propstrike; 3rd January 2018, 17:43.

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                • Meddle
                  Rank Bajin.
                  • Sep 2014
                  • 1626

                  If the comments section is anything to go by, the average Daily Mail reader is happy with the restoration!

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                  • Planemike
                    Rank 5 Registered User
                    • Dec 2007
                    • 1807

                    Meddle............Not exactly true, would described the reaction as "mixed".....

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                    • Meddle
                      Rank Bajin.
                      • Sep 2014
                      • 1626

                      If you follow the green arrows, the most popular comment is:

                      'That's exactly how some pilots had them painted,non story!'

                      The top rated comments are all positive in favour of the restoration.

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                      • Junk Collector
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Aug 2006
                        • 1464

                        Everything in that rag is outrage, fury etc
                        Officially now a pensioner

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                        • Mark12
                          MEANS MOTIVE OPPORTUNITY
                          • Jan 2000
                          • 10863

                          Half a page and three photos in today's Times.

                          Headed - Wartime fighter 'ruined by hideous makeover'

                          Mark
                          "...the story had been forensically examined and was deeply impressive. I knew that the whole story was a load of myth and baloney"

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                          • otis
                            Rank 5 Registered User
                            • Dec 2009
                            • 205

                            Does anyone know if professional assistance, from the likes of the experts here, was offered to the El Alamein museum in their restoration?

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                            • Moggy C
                              Moderator
                              • Jan 2000
                              • 20534

                              I am not aware that anyone here even knew what was happening to the aircraft. There were rumours it was still in its container, or that it was in the US. The thought of a shambolic restoration by the Egyptians was never mooted.

                              Moggy
                              "What you must remember" Flip said "is that nine-tenths of Cattermole's charm lies beneath the surface." Many agreed.

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                              • Bruce
                                Independent analyst
                                • Jan 2000
                                • 10222

                                Up until just a few months ago, as far as was known, the aircraft remained in its container. It was known that it hadn't been exported to the USA. Professional help would probably have been forthcoming had it been requested (from one quarter or another) - so it would be fair to assume that it wasn't.

                                Different standards.

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                                • Sq/L Scramble.
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Feb 2004
                                  • 482

                                  Daily Telegraph article here:
                                  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018...r-two-fighter/
                                  Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth and danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings........

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                                  • Sabrejet
                                    Rank 5 Registered User
                                    • Mar 2010
                                    • 1756

                                    Those Mail readers' comments are hilarious: if ever anyone needed a better demonstration of how ill-informed and ignorant most of their readership is, then this is the one you should hold forth.

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                                    • Moggy C
                                      Moderator
                                      • Jan 2000
                                      • 20534

                                      The whereabouts of the Spitfire are currently unknown after the firm that brokered the deal to bring back the P40 was dissolved.
                                      Is that factual, or is it still at N Weald?

                                      Moggy
                                      "What you must remember" Flip said "is that nine-tenths of Cattermole's charm lies beneath the surface." Many agreed.

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                                      • Bruce
                                        Independent analyst
                                        • Jan 2000
                                        • 10222

                                        Thanks to Robin for posting that very detailed narrative, which supports what I have posted since the news broke of the aircraft's restoration and display.

                                        Clearly, the RAF Museum put in a great deal of time and effort in order to repatriate the aircraft, and to treat it carefully to ensure its survival. Based on the note by Ian Thirsk, reproduced above, it is clear that the work that has been undertaken has not considered the needs of the artefact in the same way as would have been done in a professional museum environment. A missed opportunity for all of us, and particularly for the museum in Egypt I feel.

                                        Moggy - the Spitfire is not at North Weald.

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                                        • Aviart
                                          Rank 5 Registered User
                                          • Sep 2016
                                          • 95

                                          "Those Mail readers' comments are hilarious: if ever anyone needed a better demonstration of how ill-informed and ignorant most of their readership is, then this is the one you should hold forth."

                                          It is you who is ignorant of the fact that people from other walks of life do and will have differing opinions to yours. It is a national newspaper and the comments section on their website is open to anyone and everyone. Obviously, not every single person is as into aircraft or aviation history as the members of this specialist "aviation" forum. They simply will not see that wreck as being as historically important as we do (or did). "One man's trash is another man's treasure"...

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