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  • dko
    dko
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Nov 2012
    • 94

    No one has news and developments about the P40 Copping?

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    • l.garey
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Feb 2006
      • 1951

      I have no further news, sadly.
      Laurence

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      • DaveF68
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Jun 2004
        • 1790

        Originally posted by dko View Post
        No one has news and developments about the P40 Copping?
        Other than the RAFM annual report and planning applications mentioning it, nothing tangible has happened yet.

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        • Lyffe
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Mar 2006
          • 324

          I apolgise for not reading all the 2000+ posts on this thread, but most that I have seem to be about the political aspects of recovering the aircraft - and who is right or wrong - few, if any, have considered what it must have been like for the pilot, assuming he survived.

          Last July I started tracing the story of F/Sgt Mickolajczak who force-landed a Kittyhawk in the Nubian desert on 9 May 1942. He survived the landing but died the following day leaving letters and notes describing his last hours almost to the moment of death. These were by his side when the crash site was found 20 days later. #7 of the thread http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/sho...gt-Mikolajczak makes all that has been written here pale into insignificance.

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          • dko
            dko
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Nov 2012
            • 94

            The story of the Sgt Mickolajczak is very attractive and has many similarities with the fate of Dennis Copping!
            I know that part of the Nubian desert and for that I am interested in more details about the crash and the possible coordinates. It would probably be possible to find some trace of the wreck or remains of the pilot!

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            • Lysanderlover
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • May 2015
              • 82

              The Copping mystery will hopefully reach a conclusion at some point so the family will have closure after all of these years. It is a shame the P-40 exhibited at the RAFM is really not representative of the type in RAF service and more of a mock-up than a proper museum exhibit. If the Copping aircraft is not available to Hendon one would hope the RAFM will find a more suitable P-40 for exhibition in the not too distant future.

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              • jeepman
                infrequent poster now
                • Apr 2004
                • 1983

                Following an FoI request to the RAFM, summary minutes of the Acquisitions and Disposals Committe are now available on the website, as per the FoI Publication Scheme. The following minutes are relevant - and also interesting for other reasons.

                http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/document..._Committee.pdf
                JM

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                • DaveF68
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Jun 2004
                  • 1790

                  Originally posted by jeepman View Post
                  Following an FoI request to the RAFM, summary minutes of the Acquisitions and Disposals Committe are now available on the website, as per the FoI Publication Scheme. The following minutes are relevant - and also interesting for other reasons.

                  http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/document..._Committee.pdf
                  Very interesting, especially the Havoc line, as Pacific Wrecks site says they traded Big Nig to the UK for A Spitfire. http://www.pacificwrecks.com/aircraft/a-20/43-9436.html

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                  • Flying_Pencil
                    Rank 5 Registered User
                    • Sep 2010
                    • 737

                    Originally posted by qattara View Post
                    I apologize if I posted the photo with the exhibits, but it was just to show the correspondence of the place.
                    now we no longer have any interest in research on the case of p40, after all planned steps (information at the embassy cairo, Egyptian authorities, on-site surveys and technical experts, doctors, lawyers, universities etc.) and have only got discredited and obstacles to our business which strangely ended only after the theft of the bones, we just have to get back to our work and always follow up with continued interest next what's new.
                    But do you know where is the container that has disappeared from Alamein?
                    It is very unfortunate and shameful you are getting blamed for simply finding a P-40 and its unfortunate pilot!
                    It seems you where very respectful and careful about what you found.
                    You are very honorable.

                    I hope your work will prosper.

                    Jest to bardzo niefortunne i karygodne są coraz winić tylko znalezienie P-40 i jego niefortunne pilotem!
                    Wydaje się, gdzie bardzo szacunkiem i uważać na to, co można znaleźć.
                    Jesteś bardzo honorowy.

                    Mam nadzieję, że twoja praca będzie prosperować.
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                    • Moggy C
                      Moderator
                      • Jan 2000
                      • 20534

                      For what it is worth there are reports from a couple of sources, unconfirmed in any way, that the P40 container is no longer in the Middle East - but is now in the US.

                      Moggy
                      "What you must remember" Flip said "is that nine-tenths of Cattermole's charm lies beneath the surface." Many agreed.

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                      • David_Kavangh
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2000
                        • 1017

                        That's a shame. The Americans will probably restore it to flight and lose all historical integrity, rather than conserve a WW2 time capsule.

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                        • David Burke
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Jan 2000
                          • 10028

                          Unfortunately its all a very sad story .

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                          • dko
                            dko
                            Rank 5 Registered User
                            • Nov 2012
                            • 94

                            ...I have no words !!
                            Anyway I continue to search Dennis Copping in the Sahara desert.

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                            • John Green
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • Mar 2011
                              • 6643

                              Let's hope that they do just that. Better a 'live' exhibit than a dead one occupying yet more museum floor space - and a rather more fitting memorial to Dennis Copping.

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                              • DaveF68
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • Jun 2004
                                • 1790

                                Originally posted by Moggy C View Post
                                For what it is worth there are reports from a couple of sources, unconfirmed in any way, that the P40 container is no longer in the Middle East - but is now in the US.

                                Moggy
                                If that turns out to be true, no wonder heads rolled at RAFM

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                                • DoraNineFan
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Oct 2005
                                  • 233

                                  Originally posted by DaveF68 View Post
                                  If that turns out to be true, no wonder heads rolled at RAFM
                                  Anything is better than it sitting in a region that will be unstable into the foreseeable future. No doubt that if certain types discovered it as a "symbol" of the US, it would be wrapped in explosives for an after-prayer bonfire.

                                  Perhaps it is taking a surreptitious route to the UK.....

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                                  • Moggy C
                                    Moderator
                                    • Jan 2000
                                    • 20534

                                    You have to love an optimist
                                    "What you must remember" Flip said "is that nine-tenths of Cattermole's charm lies beneath the surface." Many agreed.

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                                    • Bruce
                                      Independent analyst
                                      • Jan 2000
                                      • 10225

                                      Wouldn't surprise me at all - money talks wherever in the world you are.

                                      For me, it would be a travesty if it were returned to flight, with large numbers of new parts, just because we can. Time will tell.

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                                      • John Green
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • Mar 2011
                                        • 6643

                                        So, you're not a supporter of Shuttleworth ?

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                                        • jeepman
                                          infrequent poster now
                                          • Apr 2004
                                          • 1983

                                          The longer this went on, the more obvious it was that this was the sort of thing that would happen.

                                          I find it incredible that the RAF Museum traded a Spitfire airframe with Kennet Aviation to recover the P40 only for it to ultimately apparently end up in the hands of some rich American. Perhaps the ultimate custodian of the P40 should now make a substantial donation to the RAF Museum for facilitating the recovery of the airframe.

                                          Surely the RAFM officer who signed off the Kennet deal should be properly held to account and not just allowed to sail off into the sunset...................

                                          I would have thought the Museum's legal advisors have some explaining to do as well
                                          Last edited by jeepman; 5th January 2016, 16:46.
                                          JM

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