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  • piratepat
    Rank 3 Registered User
    • Oct 2012
    • 13

    B-29 Superfortress in Zeeland, Holland??

    Hello.

    On September 3th 1948 the B-29A, 44-62100 had an accident.
    In Zeeland the crew of this Superfotress was fished out of the water was written in the newspapers of this time. But there was also written that the crew escaped by using their parachutes...
    Some members of this forum here told before about this plane lying on the ground of the sea next to Vlissingen...

    Is there anybody who can help me with detailed information about this plane e.g. the place where i can jump into the water and will find it ;-) or any other information about this crash
  • piratepat
    Rank 3 Registered User
    • Oct 2012
    • 13

    #2
    is there really noone who knows anything about 44-62100??

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    • bazv
      olde rigger
      • Feb 2005
      • 5878

      #3
      Only what was on a US forum...

      On 3 September 1948 a B-29, serial 44-62100, crashed in the Scheldt estuary off Flushing (Vlissingen), the Netherlands. Unit was 2nd BG, 20th BS, then based at Davis-Monthan AFB, AZ. The BG was detached to RAF Lakenheath, England during the Berlin blockade and on said date participated in a joint UK-US air defense exercise called Operation Dagger. The B-29 had a broken down engine (cylinder).
      Ten men of the 11-men crew survived the crash, but the last one, Sgt Walter D. Roquet died later that day in an hospital. He's now buried in Iowa.
      Commander of the plane was Lt. Harold Wilson, the pilot Lt Billiy E. Thornton (or Billie J.?). Aviationarchaeology and accident-report.com say the accident was 20 miles from Brussels, Belgium, but this is where the problems started.
      rgds baz

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      • piratepat
        Rank 3 Registered User
        • Oct 2012
        • 13

        #4
        Thanks a lot I know this article...
        20 miles from Brussels and a little bit more you are in the middle of the Scheldt next to Vlissingen...
        The Scheldt is in this place about one and half a mile wide the perfect place for a plane like a B-29 to disappear.
        In the papers from this time nothing is written about the bomber ditched. Maybe to keep it dark because of the beginning cold war???
        Im very interested in what happened to the plane, and where it could be or where it is now!!
        Please send all informations you have even the rumors.
        Thanks for helping finding the european B-29!!

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        • piratepat
          Rank 3 Registered User
          • Oct 2012
          • 13

          #5
          just searching!

          A diched plane which is not too broken some friends (divers) told me is under water "flying" like in the air until it reaches the ground. In this case the B-29 if it is diched next to Vlissingen could have been dived into the open sea or the other direction towards Vlissingen-oost or Borssele.

          Thanks for helping!

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          • iclo
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Feb 2012
            • 55

            #6
            I know a bit this area as I sail during spring and summer not far Vlissigen.

            It's sure that the stream and sandbank move very fast in this area and a spotting a plane after all these years could be very difficult.

            It depends of where the plane came down in the Scheldt, but is the way in and out to Antwerpen harbour: so perhaps not the best place for divers, but it could be interessting to try to contact divers club in the area to see what they known about this plane.

            Regards

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            • ericmunk
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • Apr 2009
              • 1735

              #7
              The area is also subject to decades of intensive dredging to keep the entry to Vlissingen and Antwerp harbours accessible. But I'm sure you would have thought of this.

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              • piratepat
                Rank 3 Registered User
                • Oct 2012
                • 13

                #8
                Thanks again for answering and helping.
                The first point of interest is where diched the plane or has it been as the papres wrote left by the crew by parachutes and crashed alone into the northern sea...

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                • iclo
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Feb 2012
                  • 55

                  #9
                  Originally posted by ericmunk View Post
                  The area is also subject to decades of intensive dredging to keep the entry to Vlissingen and Antwerp harbours accessible. But I'm sure you would have thought of this.
                  Yes, all will depend of where this B-29 cames down : if it's one of the "water ways" (not sure of the correct word) , the plane is sure gone since a long time.

                  If it's in a remote location, there is a possibility the wreck survived.

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                  • ericmunk
                    Rank 5 Registered User
                    • Apr 2009
                    • 1735

                    #10
                    I would suggest that for the exact location the following paths coudl yield accurate and reliable information:
                    - The official accident report of the USAF. Maybe via the USAF Museum in Dayton OH?
                    - Any reports from the KNRM (Dutch rescue service) if involved.
                    - An enquiry with the MLM at Soesterberg for any possible Dutch reports KLu or MLD reports on the incident wouldn't hurt.
                    - Eyewitness accounts, locate them through an ad in the local papers or an appeal through organisations for the elderly in the area (ANBO, PCOB)

                    Papers are notoriously unreliable as a source of information. I know because I used to write them. ;-)

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                    • EHVB
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Jan 2000
                      • 1449

                      #11
                      The aircraft is in a no diving zone, and 30 to 60 meters deep. Most probably burried under many meters of sand. I wrote an article on it, in 2001. it floated for a considerable time, so it was more or less in 1 part after the ditch. Some crew parachuted from it, but others stayed onboard. Chances of raising it, or even dive to it are nil.

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                      • ericmunk
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Apr 2009
                        • 1735

                        #12
                        And just to show the 'reliable' information that is in papers:

                        http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...CRyIIabEe-Nu6A

                        tells of the aircraft flying around in the Lbeck (Germany) area without its crew after they supposedly jumped out over the Westerschelde off Borssele.

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                        • piratepat
                          Rank 3 Registered User
                          • Oct 2012
                          • 13

                          #13
                          Lbeck is more than 650 km away and the way from the western Sheldt to there is over land, where people live...
                          wouldnt it be better to steer a dying plane into the open sea without risking an accident.

                          I think the statement of the British is a joke or just to keep the position of the missing plane dark...

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                          • TonyT
                            Rank 5 Registered User
                            • Oct 2006
                            • 9023

                            #14
                            Unfortunately once abandoned an aircraft then take on a life of its own, take the Hawk abandoned heading out to sea in the south of England that then turned to the dismay of the pilot hanging on his chute and headed inland.. Or the abandoned Mig 23? on take off due to loss of power that then regained power flew all the way to Belgium and landed on a house killing the poor beggar in it.

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                            • piratepat
                              Rank 3 Registered User
                              • Oct 2012
                              • 13

                              #15
                              @ EHVB:

                              Im very glad to welcome you!
                              There are so many different versions about 44-62100 and where she ditched or crashed even if she should have been sunk in western Sheldt between Vlissingen and Borssele there are differences about the depth of the water there. Several people wrote about 30 to 60 meter or in feet...
                              others who lived at his time there told me the Sheld wasnt deeper than ten to twelf meters there...
                              Id really love to read your article about this mysterious plane
                              and if I know where she is i will try everything to bring her back to the sunlight!
                              Last edited by piratepat; 18th December 2012, 21:02.

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                              • piratepat
                                Rank 3 Registered User
                                • Oct 2012
                                • 13

                                #16
                                MERRY CHRISTMAS!

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                                • bravo24
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • Apr 2010
                                  • 255

                                  #17
                                  Tony T,
                                  i recall the Hunter from Brawdy that was abandoned after being pointed out to sea, which then did a 180 only to fly up Tintagel high st. and crash against the corner of a building. The chap up a ladder some feet away was quite surprised but uninjured. This about 1980.

                                  Happy landings

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                                  • piratepat
                                    Rank 3 Registered User
                                    • Oct 2012
                                    • 13

                                    #18
                                    @ all: is there noone else a bit more familiar with this b29 I am looking for??

                                    Happy New Year and a lot of Health!!

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                                    • piratepat
                                      Rank 3 Registered User
                                      • Oct 2012
                                      • 13

                                      #19
                                      ok, once again...

                                      After writing with the US AIR FORCE because of the rights of the ownership of 44-62100 I am back here and in several other forums too.
                                      I am still very interested in where the B-29 is and to bring her back to daylight!
                                      And again I am very thankful about any hint or even rumors helping to find her!!

                                      @ EHVB:
                                      It is very sad...
                                      I thought you would know a little more about this plane and the place to find her. I may be wrong but it seemed bringing her back to daylight would be a big wish or dream of you too...
                                      And once again: where can the article about this sunken plane been read?

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                                      • Anon
                                        Mike Davey
                                        • Jan 2008
                                        • 2867

                                        #20
                                        B-29

                                        You don't seem to be having much luck, piratepat. Perhaps you could look at police or military records for the area? That may yield some clues or further information about the wreck.

                                        There are also researchers in the US who will provide information, if you can give them a serial number they are able to access records over there or may have extensive information of their own. Some of the "diggers" who look at this forum may be able to point you in that direction, perhaps?

                                        Going back to Bravo24's post regarding the Tintagel Hunter, the pilot of the aircraft, Alick Nicholson, is alive and well and living in the Lake District. Here is the story of the events leading up to the crash:

                                        http://www.tintagelweb.co.uk/Tintage...ne%20Crash.htm

                                        Makes interesting reading (sorry for the thread hijack, piratepat). Good Luck in your search, it will make a very interesting recovery, if you find it. B-29's are rather rare in Europe.

                                        Anon.

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