It goes on( Amelia)

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It could just be coral?

TIGHAR are such a joke.

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They are not a joke! -it takes years of experience - hours of research and large sums of money to be this good at not finding anything!

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"The question, therefore, would seem to be whether the castaway who had a jar of American women's freckle cream was someone other than Amelia Earhart. We don't know who that would be," Gillespie said.

Why does it have to have been another woman castaway? :confused:

I know Nikumaroro is uninhabited now, I know Nikumaroro was uninhabited when Amelia Earhart and Fred Noonan went missing in 1937 but it sure as hell was inhabited between 1938 and 1965 and the population included women and children.

Why do I keep thinking that Ric Gillespie wants to suppress that knowledge?

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Isn't it a waste of money, just like Hunting Nessie.. And if they ever found it no doubt they would kill it or stick it in a giant damn fish tank...

I'd rather they fed some of the starving of the world with the money they are wasting on looking for her.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2190099/Amelia-Earhart-Underwater-video-reveals-evidence-solves-75-year-mystery-aviators-flight.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

It could just be coral? TIGGER are such a joke.

They are not a joke! -it takes years of experience - hours of research and large sums of money to be this good at not finding anything!

Tigger have always had more than circumstantial evidence to support their theory that there is an island located some 400 miles south east of Howland Island and have thousands of artifacts and photos to prove it.

They have also established beyond doubt through eye witness testimony, old photographs and on site investigations that there was some debris, bottles and other floatsum and jetsum on the island, as well as residue from unknown inhabitants including a toilet pit and fire pit, and wreckage (admittedly a ship), and historical records of some bodies, and some turtle bones.

- Its clearly more than enough evidence to support their theory that the island exists.

Its also wrong to say they have come up empty handed from their recent expedition, and I'm sure with some airfix kits and skillful photoshopping lessons from the people responsible for the "Sunderland in Windermere Lake" story in the UK a few years ago, that they could provide some very convincing side scans of the aircraft's remains on the coral reef.

Unfortunately at the moment they are limited to interpreting the blurry images of coral taken from their ROV but with skillful image analysis, enhancement and plain old photo manipulation they are able to identify aircraft remains not easily detected by the naked eye.

In a previous trip they found what appeared to be the undercarriage leg sitting perfectly preserved on the coral bed of the sea, or at least that is what it "clearly" looked like once someone drew a red line around it - in the shape of an undercarriage leg!

Unfortunately they havent been able to relocate it!!, perhaps the red ink dissolved and got washed off by wave action?

‘The Bevington photo shows what appears to be four components of the plane: a strut, a wheel, a wom gear and a fender. In the debris field there appears to be the fender, possibly the wheel and possibly some portions of the strut,’ Glickman said.

Now, TIGGER scientists are preparing to possibly recover the objects from the ocean floor for a closer look.

Meanwhile, TIGGER has continued its probe into a small jar recovered on Nikumaroro in a previous expedition which might provide further evidence to support the theory that Earhart and navigator Fred Noonan made an emergency landing on the island and living out their days there as castaways.

‘Scientists have found traces of mercury on the interior surface of the little jar that we suspect once contained Dr. Berry's Freckle Cream,’ Gillespie said.

The new round of testing on the glass container was prompted by Greg George, a chemist who read Discovery News story on the cosmetic jar.

The purpose of mercury in ointments was for bleaching the skin, and Dr. C. H Berry's Freckle Ointment was marketed in the early 20th century as a concoction guaranteed to make freckles fade.

‘It is well documented that Amelia had freckles and disliked having them,’ Joe Cerniglia, the TIGGER researcher who first spotted the freckle ointment as a possible match, told Discovery News.

‘The only product sold in the ointment jar that we know contained mercury was Dr. C. H. Berry's Freckle Ointment. Documentation I collected shows this product historically contained anywhere from 9.8 to 12 per cent ammoniated mercury, depending on the year it was produced,’ Cerniglia said.

TIGGER, however, conceded that it is not possible to link the ointment pot directly to Earhart.

The jar was found broken in five pieces and one of the fragments was collected far from the others amongst some turtle bones. The state of that shard suggests that it was used as a cutting tool, thus possibly connecting it to a castaway living on the island.

‘The question, therefore, would seem to be whether the castaway who had a jar of American women's freckle cream was someone other than Amelia Earhart. We don't know who that would be,’ Gillespie said.

They cant link it directly to Amelia? and of course, they have "no idea" who else might have owned a jar of freckle vanishing cream? (other than half of the population of the planet at the time being female, and a reasonable proportion of them willing to buy jars of concoctions for their face!)

I mean surely we have to accept Tiggers hypothesis that Dr. C. H Berry only produced Freckle Ointment for sale to one customer - Amelia Earhart, and the presence of a jar that "might" be of Dr. C. H Berry's Freckle Ointment is conclusive proof that Amelia was on the island.

We can of course immediately discount it being cargo on the nearby wrecked ship, or flotsam and jetsam tossed from a cruise ship - (perhaps the Titanic?) or simply a broken jar of some other concoction containing mecury like say a prewar sun block?

And of course we havent quite confirmed it "is" a jar of Dr Berry's Ointment because its the "wrong" colour, but it does have traces of mercury in it, but this could all be quickly proven scientifically if we throw it into the lake and

" if it floats in water, - and wood floats in water, - and wood burns - then she is a witch!",
and in the same way, hence it will be conclusively proven it was Amelia's jar, and hence proof she perished on this island!!!

Now we have also found a "debris" field, and we are able to immediately discount it also from being cargo or debris from the nearby wrecked ship!!.

And now they have clearly found the aircraft's "fender"!!! and anyone with experience in analysing underwater images of wrecks knows too well that ships do not have "fenders" so its clearly not from the nearby ship wreck!!!

It cant be too long before they find the aircraft's "trunk", "spare wheel" and "wheelbrace" and "jack"!!,

With a bit of luck the "fender" might still have the "licence plate" attached and the "rego number" will conclusively identify the aircraft!!

As they returned from the data collection trip at the end of July, TIGGER researchers begun poring over the new material recovered from the site thanks to a torpedo-shaped Autonomous Underwater Vehicle (AUV) and a Remote Operated Vehicle (ROV).

‘I have thus far made a cursory review of less than 30 per cent of the expedition's video and have identified what appears to be an interesting debris field,’ TIGGER forensic imaging specialist Jeff Glickman told Discovery.

They have now subjected 35% of the recent footage to the same process, and here is a tantalising glimpse of some of that first analysis of the next 5%!.

Please send more money so they can continue their important work!, and hurry, before the red ink dissolves in the sea water and gets washed away, and they cant relocate and recover this item to prove their hypothesis!!!

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=204351&d=1333281938

There was an interesting observation made on a previous thread on this Key Publishing forum as to how much ongoing funding Tigger would continue to attract - once AE's fate and resting place been conclusively proven?

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Mark Pilkington

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Good show, Mark. Good show :p


They cant link it directly to Amelia? and of course, they have "no idea" who else might have owned a jar of freckle vanishing cream?

Vanishing cream - that explains it all...:p

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While I don't always agree with the TIGHAR's methods or public relations efforts, some of the comments on here are barely better than the rubbish espoused by the Daily Mail and its readers.

Give it a break....

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Speaking of the Sunderland, over on the other forum someone pasted an article showing a F-89 lost while chasing a "UFO" over Lake Superior in the 1950s.

The right wing was broken off cleanly, just like an unmade Revell kit. The canaopy was still in place and the fuselage was in one peice. Regardless of the fact it looked like a model and the obvious fact that a jet fighter hitting the water at any sort of speed would break up on impact, a few forum members still were making excuses that it could be real.
Some people just want to belive...in something, anything.

I do wish TIGAR would give it a rest.
In the current story that's in the media today, Gillespie says.."We don't want to oversell it".
Rick, why change at this late date?

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Fender?!

Since when did Lockheed aircraft have fenders? (referred to in the picture caption)

I thought a fender was American parlance for a (car) bumper, or am I missing something?

Perhaps they mean a guitar?:diablo:

A puzzled and entirely unconvinced, Anon.

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In American English, a (car) fender is what UK people call wings.

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I'd assumed it referred to the 'mud-guards' behind the main-wheels.

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Since when did Lockheed aircraft have fenders? (referred to in the picture caption)

If it was on a Harley--or a Triumph or BSA--it would be referred to as a fender, at least by U.S. bikers.

I do wish TIGAR would give it a rest.

I do wish commenters on this forum would give it a rest.

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Recent developments on the Tighar Forum

There have been two new developments on the Tighar Forum made by a contributor in New Zealand...

It may be recalled that New Zealand administered the Phoenix Group on behalf of the Empire.... (the Kiwis were the nearest to Gardner)

Point 1: The contributor has been reading the Auckland Star newspaper archives and in a memorable post cites the history of Gardner Island (now Nikumaroro) as being in receipt of many visits by mariners including whaling ships and points out that quite a few personages were lost on the island due to shipwrecks well before 1937 and in one instance 10 Crew were buried on the island..... so there are many sources for "bones".

Point 2: The contributor today has posted two .urls from the Auckland Star which show that Dr. Berry's Freckle Cream was on sale in NZ for 3 Shillings and 11 pence in the 1930's and it must be remembered that in 1938 a NZ Survey party set foot on the island with surveying equipment which no doubt included a sextant but also may have included Dr. Berry's cream because in NZ the cream was advertised not only for "freckles" but also for "sunburn". So who is to say that some Kiwi Surveyor did not have a jar of Dr. Berry's in his knapsack to protect his beak from the sun ? Hmmm ?

Tighar has been very quiet about Point 1 and Point 2 has only just hit the fan....

Food for thought.

RPM

So, Gillespie says he "doesn't want to oversell it"

Really?

That's a relief, then.

God forbid he ever goes looking for Amy. Can you imagine the human detritus, flotsam and jetsam etc, that pitches up in the Thames that will doubtless become definitely linked to her loss....?! Still, at least no turtle bones to confuse the issue!

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Not forgetting the manatee* bone that turned up in an archaeological context in Oxford...

Adrian

*seriously!

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Since when did Lockheed aircraft have fenders? (referred to in the picture caption)

I thought a fender was American parlance for a (car) bumper, or am I missing something?

Perhaps they mean a guitar?:diablo:

A puzzled and entirely unconvinced, Anon.

I don't believe that Leo Fender was producing guitars in the '30's, but the Gibson bros were, and one of those was called Orville; coincidence? I think not!

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I spotted a turtle in the Pentland Firth - was it Amelia?....