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  • Astir 8
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    • Jun 2010
    • 150

    Soggy - Your Swallow flies again!

    Mr Soggy - Just to let you know, the BGA issued us a Certificate of Airworthiness last week so I test flew Swallow BZL today - very nice too, even in non-soaring conditions. It's been a while since I last flew a glider with a decent rate of roll!

    I'll PM a couple of pictures.

    Do you by any chance have a colour photo of the glider showing the Wills logo on the fin? I'd like to reproduce it

    a) Because of historical correctness

    b) Because of its present-day political incorrectness!

    cheers
    Dave
    Last edited by Astir 8; 19th June 2012, 07:27. Reason: wrong use of it's!!! What would my old English teacher have said?
  • Soggy
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    • Oct 2009
    • 188

    #2
    Dave

    That's wonderful news, and well done to you and all concerned, fair warms my heart it do.

    I have no more images of my own, but found this one on the Vintage Gliding Facebook page, which is unfortunately indistinct and remote, but does show the Wills logo. I readily admit to having no permission to publish this, so I apologise to the owner who I hope may be not upset in view of the purpose.

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    Thank you for the photoes of her firet flight after restoration, which are an absolute delight to me:

    Swallow2

    Swallow3

    swallow1

    Best wishes to the Swallow syndicate!

    Phil

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    • Astir 8
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      • Jun 2010
      • 150

      #3
      Soggy - many thanks for the photo. Googling WD & HO Wills produces a "History of WD & HO Wills" apparently by Dave Napier if the URL is correct. That shows a logo comprising a stylised diamond shaped tobacco leaf superimposed on a large W, all in gold. It certainly resembles the logo on the fin in the photo. If you have the time can you have a look at that website & let me know if it jogs a memory or two?

      If it's the one, then your photo gives the size and position, which is great. And the rudder needs to be blue?

      Dave
      Last edited by Astir 8; 18th June 2012, 19:40.

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      • Fournier Boy
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        • Mar 2007
        • 1039

        #4
        Well done Dave, the plan worked out then! Oh and thank you for the Skylark Canopy, I picked it up a few weeks ago - the great Skylark rebuild doth continue!

        FB

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        • Soggy
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Oct 2009
          • 188

          #5
          That Wills gold-leaf logo is the very thing, although I must admit my memory fails me as to whether it was gold or blue, but gold I think.

          The rudder was indeed blue as seen in the 'Capstan' image (for which thanks to al stacey). However, I don't recall the 'day glow' stripes on the nose in her early days at Perranporth. Perhaps light blue and white not the best colour scheme for visibility and the day glow stripes were considered expedient.

          I hope another image of BZL is on its way which will help with logo positioning, so keep an eye on here and your PM box Dave.

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          • Soggy
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            • Oct 2009
            • 188

            #6
            Another image at Aboyne, with thanks to Al for this. It looks like the logo was blue after all, Dave.

            T.45 BGA1364

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            • boguing
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              • Jan 2010
              • 171

              #7
              Was that the one that started it's flying life at Camphill?
              Last edited by boguing; 7th December 2012, 21:29. Reason: poyt

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              • Astir 8
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Jun 2010
                • 150

                #8
                Soggy - thanks for that - there's a B&W photo at Feshie showing what turn out to be the hi-vis triangles but they must have been lost during the 1980's re-fabric.

                Think I'd prefer the logo in gold! But were the under-wing Wills logos original?

                Boguing - No it's the other WD & HO Wills Swallow which was won by the Cornish Gliding Club at Perranporth (see my earlier thread titled "Mr Soggy - Cornish Gliding Club")
                Last edited by Astir 8; 20th June 2012, 14:47.

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                • boguing
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Jan 2010
                  • 171

                  #9
                  Thanks Astir 8.

                  Does the other one still exist - I know that it did get a bit bent after an away landing?
                  Last edited by boguing; 20th June 2012, 15:02. Reason: topy

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                  • WB981
                    Rank 5 Registered User
                    • May 2007
                    • 260

                    #10
                    Listed below are all the Slingsby built Swallows with wht limited history I know about them.



                    1083 T.45 BGA843 C of A 21/7/58. Slingsby Sailplanes, Kirbymoorside. First flown 11/10/57. Yorkshire G C, Sutton Bank. Scottish Gliding Union, 4/69. Rebuilt by C Reussner as Reusnner Swift. Crashed at Netheravon 24/11/63. Rebuilt and W/O 1/4/78.
                    1127 T.45 BGA848 C of A 5/8/58. Exported to South Africa as ZS-GCX. W/O.
                    1133 T.45 ZS-GEO Exported to South Africa. Sold to Zimbabwe as '36'.
                    1142 T.45 BGA866 C of A 1/11/58. R Mitchell. Exported to Rhodesia.
                    1144 T.45 BGA867 C of A 12/58.
                    1198 T.45 BGA873 C of A 10/4/59. BGA Comp No 80. J E G Harwood, Lasham, 4/59. R Lynch, Keevil, 1965. Bath G C, Keevil 5/1/66. Black Mountains G C, Talgarth, 1983. D Foster, Talgarth, 1993. . T Wilkinson, Sackville Farm. Active as T45 12/04.
                    1202 T.45 ZS-GDD Registered in South Africa 22/10/1959.
                    1203 T.45 BGA1032 C of A 10/61. Norfolk G C, Tibbenham, 1985. E Traynor, Easterton.
                    1206 T.45 BGA876 C of A 25/6/59. Scotish Gliding Union, Portmoak.C of A expired 7/76.
                    1210 T.45 BGA888 C of A 16/11/59. J Dickins, 1959. Exported to Rhodesia. Re-imported and restored to BGA888. Lasham Gliding Society, Lasham, 2/3/60. West Wales G C, Haverfordwest, 1963. Dived in to the ground at Haverfordwest 25/8/68.
                    1212 T.45 BGA879 C of A 21/8/59. J S Fieldon, Dunkeswell, 1960. Taunton Vale G C, Dunkeswell. Devon & Somerset G C, 19/2/71. Written off prior to C of A expiry 2/74.
                    1221 T.45 BGA910 C of A 5/2/60. BGA Comp No 257. A V Rove G C, Woodford, 1960. Devon & Somerset G C, Dunkeswell, 1965. South Wales G C, Usk, 1974.V Luck, (Bucks), 1977. P Gresham, 1978. East Sussex G C, Ringmer, 1980. J S Goddard, Old Sarum, 1982. S Brookes, 1986. M W Yearsley, (Kent), 1987. I D Smith, Eyres Field, 1995. J Whitehead, Halesland, 2003. J M Muir, Nympsfield, 19/1/05.
                    1226 T.45 BGA915 Destroyed by fire 28/2/63.
                    1230 T.45 BGA921 C of A 14/4/60. Northants G C, Poddington, 1960. R C Martin, Lasham. G P Hayes, Kenley.
                    1235 T.45 BGA924 C of A 5/60. Cambridge University G C, 1961-77. F W Wiseman, Ridgewell, 1985. D Jones, North Weald, 1997. Crashed on winch launch at Ridgewell 18/6/00. Fatal.
                    1243 T.45 BGA890 C of A 11/6/60. Aberdeen G C, Aberdeen, 6/60. Deeside G C, Aboyne, 1968. G Wilson, Aboyne, 1980. Swallow Syndicate, Waldershare Park, 1986. R Shallcrass, Challock, 1996. J M Turner, Challock, 2003. Active as 'BDR' 1/10.
                    1275 T.45 BGA949 C of A 11/60. Exported to Southern Rhodesia 10/63.
                    1277 T.45 BGA951 C of A 11/60. Exported to Pakistan.
                    1278 T.45 BGA956 C of A 12/60. Exported to Pakistan.
                    1279 T.45 BGA958 C of A 1/61. Exported to Pakistan.
                    1280 T.45 BGA961 C of A 1/61. Exported to Pakistan.
                    1281 T.45 BGA978 C of A 3/61. Exported to Pakistan.
                    1282 T.45 BGA986 C of A 4/61. Exported to Pakistan.
                    1283 T.45 BGA992 C of A 5/61. Exported to Pakistan.
                    1284 T.45 BGA994 C of A 5/61. Exported to Pakistan.
                    1308 T.45 BGA990 C of A 4/61. RAFGSA, NEJSGSA 4. Reverted back to BGA990. M G Dawson, Spilsby, 1990. R Kilham, (Lincs), 9/4/94. S Thom, (Lincs), 1998.
                    1310 T.45 BGA1003 C of A 23/6/61. Midland, G C, Long Mynd, 1961. Accident at Long Mynd, 1972. R Brooker, Essex, 1972. P J Wilby, (Suffolk), 1975. Rattlesden G C, 1979. Hit tree on approach to Eaglescot airfield 24/7/82. Fuselage stored at Lasham. Moved to Keevil for further storage
                    1313 T.45 BGA1006 C of A 8/61. To Imperial Services GC, RAFGSA, Sheik Othman in Aden as RAFGSA 400. Later to RNGSA in Singapore.
                    1316 T.45 BGA1008 C of A 4/9/61. Bristol G C, Nympsfield, 9/61. P Barnes, (Wirral), 1971. Airways Associates, Booker 3/79. T C Marchan, Saltby, 17/4/79. L M Parker, Upwood, 1985. T J Wiltshire, 1985. J Goodenough, Booker, 1993. G Winch, Wormingford, 7/4/02. G Williams, (Walsall), 5/6/05.
                    1324 T.45 BGA1017 C of A 1/3/62. Blackmore Vale G C, 3/62. Dorset G C, 1964. J Day & C Grant, 2/9/82. A Pattermore, Old Sarum, 1984. C Devine, Drumshade, 1998. D A Wiseman, Andreas, Isle of Man, 22/10/01.
                    1325 T.45 BGA1018 C of A 17/3/62. BEA Silver Wing G C, Booker, 3/62. AVRO G C. The Motorless Flyers, (Yorks), 1/3/78. D Harker, (Cleveland), 1980. Fitted with self-sustaining engine, 5/80. Damaged on landing at Connel. 8/5/95. J P Marshall, North Connel, 1994. Damaged during field landing 8/5/95. C of A expired 20/11/96. Stored.
                    1327 T.45 BGA1020 C of A 4/62. Midland G C, Long Mynd, 1963. Hambletons G C, Dishforth, 1973. Swallow Syndicate, Chipping, 1979. G Balshaw, Bryn-Gwyn-Bach, 1987. Spun in after failed winch launch at Bryn-Gwyn-Bach 3/7/88.
                    1328 T.45 BGA1077 C of A 2/6/62. First Flown 24/3/62. W G Dyer, Sutton Bank, 1965. CISAVIA, 1965. Aquila G C, Enstone, 1969. To EI-117, 7/73. Devon & Somerset G C, 5/74. J R M Compton (Devon), 1978. Dartmoor Gliding Society, Brentor, 1986. C of A expired 9/7/97.
                    1329 T.45 BGA1041 C of A 5/62. Crashed at Portmoak 3/4/64.
                    1330 T.45 BGA1042 C of A 5/62. Essex G C, North Weald, 1963. F Wiseman, (Essex), 1978. C of A expired 2/8/81. Registration cancelled.
                    1334 T.45 BGA1046 C of A 6/62. BGA Comp No 238. Surrey G C, Lasham. Crashed at Lasham 22/8/66.
                    1336 T.45 BGA1048 C of A 13/6/62. Surrey G C, Lasham, 1962. Lasham Gliding Society Lasham, 1967. Cambridge University G C, 1969-79. Registration cancelled.
                    1340 T.45 BGA1061 C of A 7/62. Swindon G C, South Marston, 1963. Doncaster G C, Doncaster, 1977. Burn G C, Burn, 1984. Crashed on approach at Burn, 4/7/85. J M Brookes, Strubby, 2002.
                    1350 T.45 BGA1080 C of A 11/62. Exported to Ghana as 9G-ABA.
                    1353 T.45 BGA1083 C of A 11/62. Exported to Ghana as 9G-ABB. W/O at Afienya 3/7/63.
                    1363 T.45 BGA1101 C of A 2/63. To RAFGSA 2/64.
                    1373 T.45 BGA1107 C of A 3/63. To XS652. RAF. Contract No KK/Y/9/C.B.25 a. Presented to 662 GS 3/63 by the McRoberts Trust. To BGA1107. Active at Chipping, 5/05.
                    1377 T.45 BGA1109 C of A 6/5/63. Southdown G C, 5/63. K D Bagshaw, Lasham. D Whitmore, Parham, 1980. M Wells, Enstone, 1982. K Bagshaw, Lasham, 1985. P Cammish, Sutton Bank.
                    1386 T.45 XS650 RAF. Contract No KK/Y/9/C.B.25 a. D/d 12/6/63. 611 GS. 612 GS, White Walthan. 613 GS. 616 GS, RAF Henlow. 626 GS, RNAS Predanak. 635 GS, Burtonwood. Sold. To BGA3823. Active at Lasham, 1/05.
                    1387 T.45 XS651 RAF. Contract No KK/Y/9/C.B.25 a. D/d 12/7/63. 611 GS. 613 GS. 635 GS, Burtonwood. 645 GS, RAF Catterick. To RAFGSA as NEJSGSA 3, became R99 at Kings Field Cyprus.
                    1394 T.45 BGA1122 C of A 1/8/63. F L Fitchett, Husbands Bosworth, 8/63. Waring & Parks, Long Mynd, 1966. RNGSA, Lee-on-Solent. Swallow Syndicate Tangmere, 7/75. A J Hudson, Thruxton, 1980. Inkpen G C, Thruxton, 1984.
                    1397 T.45 BGA1136 C of A 1/1/64. To XS859 RAF. Contract No KK/Y/9/C.B.25 a. 611 GS. Sold. Reverted to BGA1136. Ouse G C, Rufforth, 1986. F Pape, Pocklington, 1997. N Antcliffe, Pocklington, 2007.
                    1407 T.45 BGA1165 C of A 5/64. Yorkshire G C, Sutton Bank, 1972. J R Smalley, Kirton in Lindsey.
                    1410 T.45 BGA1169 C of A 23/5/64. Doncaster & District G C, Doncaster, 5/64. Crashed on landing at Doncaster, 3/6/83 whilst owned by Doncaster Aero Club. Repaired and flown again on 2/87. D Clark, Doncaster, 1988. A W F Edwards, Gransden Lodge, 1989. . Active 6/06.
                    1411 T.45 BGA1182 C of A 6/64. Destroyed by fire at Nympsfield 6/5/73.
                    1415 T.45 BGA1167 C of A 5/64. Ouse G C, Rufforth, 5/64. Landing accident at Rufforth, 1967. Dorset G C, Tarrant Rushton, 1969. A C Pitt, (Illminster), 1978. P W Andrews, (Northampton), 1985. A A Smatwait, (Derbs), 1991. A Swannock, Gamston21/6/98. P Flack, 2008.
                    1420 T.45 XT653 RAF. Contract No KK/Y/9/C.B.25 a. D/d 6/5/65. 611 GS. 613 GS, RAF Halton. 635 GS, Burtonwood. 645 GS, RAF Catterick. Sold. To BGA C of A 27/4/89 as BGA3469. Airworthy at Keevil, 1/05.
                    1453 T.45 EC-BHS Built in 1967. DGAC. W/O Huesca.
                    1461 T.45 BGA1208 C of A 6/4/65. To NATO Aero Club as F-OTAN C-5 and later OO-ZWC. BGA1208. A Milton, (Bucks), 1982. F Morriss, (Bedford), 1985. P N Brownlow, Sackville Farm, 16/6/92. C of A expired 30/5/01.
                    1467 T.45 BGA1238 C of A 7/7/65. To RAFGGA 537. BGA C of A 11/11/72. Crashed at Bicester 17/2/73.
                    1473 T.45 BGA1211 C of A 24/6/65. Portsmouth Naval GC, Lee-on-Solent, RNGSA. Comp No 322. To RNGSA registration 'LS33'. First flight 7/7/65. Repaired by Ken Fripp on 14/2/67 after heavy landing. Restored to BGA1211/BTA. Sold to F Stephenson, 30/5/82. Heavy landing 31/5/85. ToMark Morley, RAF Odiham, 9/9/87. L P Woodage, 30/3/03. Total flying at 13/3/05, 6947 Launches, 1788.20 Hours. A P Stacey, Keevil, 16/10/05.
                    1474 T.45 RAFGSA346 Sold to AGA, 7/80. To BGA C of A 25/5/81 as BGA2762. J Poval, Dishforth, 5/81. Sutton Bank, 2008. A P Stacey, Keevil, 2010.
                    1475 T.45 BGA1246 C of A 19/8/65. P H Guest, North Weald, 8/65. Scottish Gliding Union Portmoak, 8/66. Crashed into Bishop Hill at Portmoak 16/1/72. (Fatal)
                    1481 T.45 BGA1263 C of A 12/11/65. P R Bradwell, Meir, 11/65. P J Skinner, (Derby), 1979. Struck steel post whilst landing at Pershore, 27/6/82. Pershore Flying Club, Bidford, 1982. RSRE, Flying Club, Pershore, 1992. Bidford Swallow Syndicate, 2001. Owned by John Morgan at Pershore, 11/05.
                    1488 T.45 EC-BCN C of A 1965. RACE - Real Aero Club de Espani
                    1490 T.45 EC-BCO C of A 1965. RACE - Real Aero Club de Espana. Stored at Igualada (Barcelona).
                    1491 T.45 BGA1267 C of A 1/1/66. Fulmar G C, RNGSA, Milltown, 1/66. Highland G C, Milltown, 12/11/71. G Muir, Feshiebridge, 1977. Cairngorm, Swallow Syndicate, 1980.
                    1493 T.45 BGA1291 C of A 2/66. Derby & Lancs G C, Camphill, 2/66. Kent G C, Challock, 9/71. G W N Guire, Challock, 1980. R C Peake, Davidstow Moor, 31/10/82. K Hubbard, North Hill.
                    1494 T.45 RAFGGA539 Nimbus GC, Geilenkirchen. Two Rivers GC, RAF Laarbruch. Sold to Lanarkshire G C, 12/76. To UK BGA C of A as BGA2210 8/1/77. Sthathclyde G C, Strathaven, 1980. P Whitehead, Sutton Bank, 1987. M Sanderson, Milfield.
                    1506 T.45 RAFGGA544 C of A 30/12/75. BGA2104. Mendip Swallow Syndicate, Weston Supermare, 1985. Active at North Hill, 1/05.
                    1514 T.45 RAFGGA527 C of A 12/81. P W Andrews, Odiham? 12/81. I Gorton, Odiham, 13/9/83. A Povey, RAF Syerston, 1985. J Wilton, 2003. John Morgan , Pershore, 11/05.
                    1515 T.45 BGA970 C of A 27/8/60. Built by Cornish GC. Cornish G C, Perranporth, 8/60. Crashed at Nympsfield 1/7/65. Trent Valley G C, Sturgate, 1971, Kirton in Lindsey, 1974. C of A expired 21/7/77.
                    1522 T.45 BGA1319 C of A 7/66.Blackpool & Fylde G C, Chipping, 1985. Carlton Moor GC, Carlton Moor.
                    1525 T.45 BGA1331 C of A 29/7/66. J C A Quinney, 7/66. Worcs G C, Bickmarsh, 1968. A T Cassidy, (Bucks), 1974. Bristol & Glous G C, Nympsfield, 1975. Damaged in heavy landing 1977. A C Melmore, West Malling, 1979. F A Wright, Challock, 1984. Surrey Hills G C, Kenley. Landed heavily after failed winch launch at Kenley, 18/7/90.
                    1530 T.45 Exported to Burma.
                    1532 T.45 Exported to Burma.
                    1536 T.45 Exported to Burma.
                    1538 T.45 RAFGGA544 Two Rivers G C, RAF Laarbruch, 6/66 - 12/74. BGA C of A 21/1/75 as BGA2014. L Martin, Crowland?, 1/75. A Norton, (Cambs), 1980. R P Dickenson, (Yorks), 1986. D Alan, Sutton Bank, 1992. H Dale, Sutton Bank, 1995. N Dickinson, Chipping, 2000. W/O in field landing outside Denbigh 6/1/01.
                    1540 T.45 EC-BHF C of A 29/3/67. DGAC - Direccion General de Aviacion Civil.
                    1541 T.45 EC-BHG C of A 29/3/67. DGAC. To UK as BGA5028. Reverted to Spanish C of A as EC-JGR.
                    1542 T.45 EC-BHH C of A 29/3/67. DGAC. Cancelled.
                    1543 T.45 EC-BHL C of A 29/3/67. DGAC. Crashed in Spain 1990. Cancelled.
                    1544 T.45 EC-BHI C of A 29/3/67. DGAC. WFU, Ocana 11/95.
                    1545 T.45 EC-BHJ C of A 29/3/67. DGAC. Cancelled.
                    1546 T.45 EC-BHK C of A 29/3/67. DGAC.
                    1547 T.45 EC-BHM C of A 25/6/67. DGAC.
                    1548 T.45 EC-BHO C of A 12/7/67. DGAC. Preserved at Museo del Aire, Cuatro Vientos.
                    1549 T.45 EC-BHN C of A 25/6/67. DGAC. Stored, Coral de Ayllion, 9/03.
                    1550 T.45 EC-BHP C of A 7/67. DGAC. Cancelled.
                    1551 T.45 EC-BHQ C of A 20/7/67. DGAC. Cancelled, before 6/03.
                    1552 T.45 EC-BHR C of A 20/7/67. DGAC. Cancelled.
                    1553 T.45 EC-BHS C of A 1967. DGAC. W/O Huesca.
                    1554 T.45 EC-BHT C of A 11/11/67. DGAC. W/O at Coral de Ayllon, Sergovia. 28/7/94.
                    1555 T.45 EC-BHU C of A 11/11/67. DGAC.
                    1556 T.45 EC-BHV C of A 11/11/67. DGAC. Stored, Coral de Ayllon, Sergovia, 9/03..
                    1557 T.45 EC-BHX C of A 23/11/67. DGAC. Cancelled.
                    1558 T.45 EC-BHY C of A 11/11/67. DGAC. Cancelled.
                    1559 T.45 EC-BHZ C of A 23/11/67. DGAC.
                    1564 T.45 UB0014 Exported to Burma. Preserved Defence Services Museum, Rangoon, Burma
                    1566 T.45 BGA1339 C of A 1/67. H Bryant, Middleton. Damaged in heavy landing at Middleton, 5/8/83. K Summers, Lasham. To Belgium 9/04 as OO-YWL.
                    1568 T.45 BGA1338 C of A 2/67. Connel G C, Oban, 1985. C of A expired 1996. D I Johnstone/Swallow Soaring Group, Strathaven. Stored at Morpeth. J Furnell, Portmoak, airworthy as BYJ, 3/09.
                    1571 T.45 BGA1357 C of A 14/2/67. Lasham Gliding Society, Lasham, 1967. Kent G C, Challock, 31/10/67. Crashed at Chalock 4/8/71.
                    1596 T.45 BGA1364 C of A 12/7/67. W D & H O Wills, 7/67. Cornish G C, Perranporth, 1968. Cairgorm Swallow Syndicate, Feshiebridge, 1981. C of A expired 14/8/00. Stored at Feshiebridge.
                    1597 T.45 BGA1365 C of A 12/7/67. W D & H O Wills, 7/67. Derby & Lancs G C, Camphill, 1968. Angus G C, Arbroath, 1972-85. F Webster, Arbroath, 1986. R Scothern, Easterton, 2004.
                    1598 T.45 BGA1398 C of A 24/7/67. S Westerside, Doncaster, 5/67. Doncaster & District G C, Doncaster, 1968. W G Weeks, Dunkeswell, 1975. Accident. T F Bennett, Dunkeswell, 10/86. The Earl Grey Syndicate, (Kent), 1988. R B Armitage, Waldershare Park, 1992. G M Hicks, Waldershare Park, 2001. Stored 1/06.
                    1603 T.45 BGA1399 C of A 9/67. Ouse G C, Rufforth, 1967. Destroyed by fire at Kirbymoorside 18/11/68.
                    1614 T.45 EC-AGZ Built in 1968. C of A 24/1/69. DGAC Stored, Lillo, Toledo 10/02.
                    1656 T.45 EC-AIA C of A 24/1/69. DGAC. Stored, Corral De Ayllon, Sergovia, 9/03.
                    1658 T.45 N7474 Built in 1968. Exported to USA. C of A 11/7/68.
                    1659 T.45 EC-AIB C of A 24/1/69. DGAC. WFU 11/89.
                    1660 T.45 N7476 Built in 1968. Exported to USA. C of A 27/7/68. Active in USA, 12/05.
                    1661 T.45 N7477 Built in 1968. Exported to USA. C of A 30/3/72. Re-registered as N7477Z.
                    1672 T.45 N7478 Not completed. Destroyed by fire at Kirbymoorside 18/11/68.

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                    • Soggy
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 188

                      #11
                      Under-wing roundels, Dave, I am sure they would have been original, but can't remember whether they were also on the top surfaces. I should imagine so, wouldn't have roundels just underneath I'm sure.

                      Phil

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                      • philc
                        Rank 3 Registered User
                        • Jul 2012
                        • 4

                        #12
                        BZL

                        Hi Chaps,
                        What a lovely surprise to see BZL in the air after all these years. This was the first aircraft I soloed in and regrettably the first and only (so far) aircraft I have damaged in 6000 hours private and commercial flying, and I was n't even sat in it!
                        Nice to see Phil Hawkey is still around. I was at Perranporth for 18 months whilst at college in Cornwall but left to move on to employment.
                        The damage I did was to the underside of the port wing near the wing root in the ply box section. Just the far side of the tupperware box on the photo on the other BZL swallow thread. I took off the canopy for the pilot (female) and stood the canopy on its front edge. The swallow was parked with its left wing on the ground and as the pilot climbed in,the plane rocked forward onto the skid and the left wing came down onto the rear left hand edge of the canopy frame and punched a neat hole in the ply skin. I was n't popular with the early solo pilots that day! Watch out for that one Astir8!!
                        Re the Wills transfers I remember them as blue on the white of the vertical tail surfaces and white roundels with the same blue transfers under the wings only. The red stripes are a later addition after 1972.
                        I may have a photo from that time but finding it will be a challenge so do n't expect an early result, it is 40 years ago!
                        May I also say thanks to everyone involved in getting BZL back where she belongs in the air again.


                        Regards,

                        PhilC
                        Last edited by philc; 13th July 2012, 19:45. Reason: spelling and grammar

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                        • Astir 8
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Jun 2010
                          • 150

                          #13
                          Phil C

                          B*****, just had 4 Wills stickers made in gold! Thanks very much for the information though.

                          P.S. I didn't find any signs of your damage during the CofA , so the repair must have been good.


                          cheers
                          Dave

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                          • philc
                            Rank 3 Registered User
                            • Jul 2012
                            • 4

                            #14
                            Hi Dave,
                            The engineer Pete Arthur repaired it by cutting out the damaged ply and splicing in a 3 inch square piece of ply. The repair was left primed for a while just to make me squirm I think. Will let you know if I find any photos.

                            All the best

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                            • philc
                              Rank 3 Registered User
                              • Jul 2012
                              • 4

                              #15
                              perranporth photos

                              Hi Dave,
                              Hope you are having fun in BZL this lousy summer. I have PMed you to advise I have found two poor quality views of BZL at Perranporth. The prints are contact prints of the negative so the scan quality is poor. Email me if you want a copy of these (address on PM )

                              Regards,

                              PhilC

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                              • Astir 8
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • Jun 2010
                                • 150

                                #16
                                Phil

                                sorry for the delay in replying. I was overseas earning a living for 7 weeks. PM has been sent. I'll be grateful for any early photos of BZL for the archive.

                                Last weekend I had 1 1/2 hours in her on the ridge at Feshie. Kept up reasonably OK with the glass gliders by flying slower and closer to the ridge!

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                                • philc
                                  Rank 3 Registered User
                                  • Jul 2012
                                  • 4

                                  #17
                                  BZL EARS

                                  Hi Dave,
                                  Your ridge flight sounded great in BZL. A thought struck me recently and Mr Soggy may be able to confirm this. You mentioned in an earlier message about the missing "ears" on the detachable canopy. Now I heard from someone at the time that the "ears" reduced the cruising sink rate by over a knot by improving the airflow at the wing roots.
                                  I did nt get your pm so if you pm your email address again I will forward the photos.

                                  Regards,

                                  PhilC

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                                  • Astir 8
                                    Rank 5 Registered User
                                    • Jun 2010
                                    • 150

                                    #18
                                    Thanks Phil, will resend email address by PM

                                    Dave

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                                    • pobjoy pete
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Feb 2006
                                      • 278

                                      #19
                                      Perrannporth Swallow

                                      I seem to recall that one 'Noel Ellis' was one of the reasons that Perranporth 'won' the Sallow.
                                      He was still to be seen at the airfield on the odd wednesdays when some of the former GC members meet for lunch.
                                      That was when 'lunch' was available in the Control Tower !!!
                                      Do you have a contact for him Phil he would be pleased to see you. PC

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                                      • Astir 8
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • Jun 2010
                                        • 150

                                        #20
                                        Mr Soggy and friends

                                        as another aside I was contacted recently by a researcher for the company making the James May "Toy Story" series. He was asking permission to possibly use the photo of BZL landing in one of the programmes. I don't know what connection Mr May has with a Swallow (anyone know?) but it will be interesting to watch out for the said programme.

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