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  • lankytim
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Dec 2005
    • 106

    B17 crash site find identification.

    Hi ALL,

    Today i've been clearing out the spare room in our house and found a shoebox of parts I recovered from a Welsh B17 crash site around 17 years ago. I have no idea what these parts are, can anyone on the forum help me identify them?











    I'm not sure what to do with these parts, as I now know that I shouldn't just walk off with crash site relics but I was about 15 at the time! I don't feel I should put them back, as someone else will simply walk off with them- maybe I should give them to a museum or something?
  • Dobbins
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Feb 2012
    • 448

    #2
    A complete guess but the hooks may be bomb related?

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    • Fouga23
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Jan 2006
      • 2257

      #3
      second photo: landing gear?
      last photo: bomb shackle?
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      • T-21
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Jun 2007
        • 1323

        #4
        Wales, North,Mid or South ? It would help narrow it down better.
        Fly with the eagles,or scratch with the chickens.

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        • lankytim
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Dec 2005
          • 106

          #5
          I'm a bit reluctant to say exactly which crash site i is as I don't want a certain self appointed crashsite guardian sending the police (or whoever it would be) round to get me.

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          • ZRX61
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • May 2005
            • 4770

            #6
            Originally posted by lankytim View Post
            Fuse/detonator for grenade/mine etc
            If anybody ever tells you anything about an aeroplane which is so bloody complicated you can't understand it, take it from me: It's all balls. RJM.

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            • TEXANTOMCAT
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • Mar 2004
              • 4670

              #7
              bomb shackle parts and electrical connectors for radio equipment.

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              • Whitley_Project
                If in doubt apply heat..
                • Jan 2000
                • 2842

                #8
                Hey Tim

                If you don't get an ID here for all the bits, try over on the EU war relics forum - there are a couple of guys there who can ID anything from a B17. They are pretty amazing...

                http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/armour...raft-recovery/

                All the best

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                • lankytim
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Dec 2005
                  • 106

                  #9
                  Cheers for that, i'll give them a try!

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                  • Bomberboy
                    Rank 5 Registered User
                    • Nov 2004
                    • 854

                    #10
                    Originally posted by lankytim View Post
                    Hi ALL,

                    can anyone on the forum help me identify them?
                    Cowl gill or front cowl ring support bracket (some of the bracket is missing).


                    Originally posted by lankytim View Post
                    Part of a tank support strap.

                    Originally posted by lankytim View Post
                    I have a funny feeling, this is the hook of the bomb winch assembly (2 winches per assembly). The only thing that throws me on this is that until I am able to check, I didn't think that these hooks actually had the non slip-off catch on them, they were just a plain hook.
                    It does not fit the bill as a bomb shackle used by american made bombers.

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                    • P Bellamy
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • May 2010
                      • 47

                      #11
                      Originally posted by lankytim View Post
                      Bomb rack hook and latch assembly, to which the bomb shackles were attached.

                      All the best,
                      PB

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                      • J Boyle
                        With malice towards none
                        • Oct 2004
                        • 9793

                        #12
                        If those pieces were for a Spitfire or Mustang, you'd have enough for a rebuild.
                        There are two sides to every story. The truth is usually somewhere between the two.

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                        • Bomberboy
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Nov 2004
                          • 854

                          #13
                          Originally posted by P Bellamy View Post
                          Bomb rack hook and latch assembly, to which the bomb shackles were attached.
                          All the best,
                          PB
                          Thanks for that.
                          I knew I was sure that it wasn't the shackle itself. saves me looking for it now? happy days.
                          Hope this all helps you lankytim?

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                          • Bomberboy
                            Rank 5 Registered User
                            • Nov 2004
                            • 854

                            #14
                            Originally posted by J Boyle View Post
                            If those pieces were for a Spitfire or Mustang, you'd have enough for a rebuild.
                            ROFPMSL

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                            • Anon
                              Mike Davey
                              • Jan 2008
                              • 2867

                              #15
                              Parts i/d

                              The piece in the third pic could be a tank strap or maybe even the attachment bracket for an aircrewmans shoulder straps to a bulkhead or similar strongpoint.

                              Pic. 4 shows a microphone jack plug, which would have been fitted on the end of the lead and plugged into the aircraft panel somewhere. The little sleeve above it could be a protector for same when not plugged in?

                              Pic. 5 doesn't appear strong or big enough for bombs hooks. More like a crewmans parachute harness to flight suit attachment hook? I've seen very similar ones on some of the post war flight gear I have.

                              Anon.

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                              • lankytim
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • Dec 2005
                                • 106

                                #16
                                Thanks for all the info guys, just what I was hoping for!

                                The hook is actually quite beefy, I think a pair of them could deffo handle the weight of a bomb being winched onboard.

                                Does anybody have an idea what the large flat piece is? I think it's made from stainless steel so I imagine it could be from the exhaust or supercharger area.

                                Seeing as i'm feeling brave, I'd like to say that this particular B17 is 44-6005 and crashed onto Craig Cwm Lywyd near Dolgelleau in mid Wales. To hell with the consequences!!!!!!
                                Last edited by lankytim; 10th May 2012, 09:08. Reason: wrong A/C number!

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                                • ZRX61
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • May 2005
                                  • 4770

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Anon View Post
                                  Pic. 4 shows a microphone jack plug, which would have been fitted on the end of the lead and plugged into the aircraft panel somewhere.

                                  Anon.
                                  I withdraw my earlier comment, I now see the pointy end is a bit different to the thingie I have sat here. Mine has the kind of pointy bit that you ABSOLUTELY DO NOT want to poke.. altho it's inert now... but leads to me think that shenanigans with what I have & one of those jackplugs could be used for nefarious purposes. Possible use for militant music criticism etc..
                                  If anybody ever tells you anything about an aeroplane which is so bloody complicated you can't understand it, take it from me: It's all balls. RJM.

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                                  • Alan Clark
                                    Rank 5 Registered User
                                    • Jan 2005
                                    • 817

                                    #18
                                    Just looked at my photo of part of the bomb assembly from 43-37667 I took about 12 years ago, the hooks are identical, though on that a/c they did not have the anti-slip catches (though there are the remains of something on some of the hooks which could be rusted off catches). However the design of the hooks is the same, even the bolt through the lower section.

                                    p.s. you'll never be found with 44-5005, the a/c which crashed near Barmouth was 44-8639.
                                    Peak District Air Accident Research

                                    www.peakdistrictaircrashes.co.uk

                                    Aircraft Wrecks: The Walker's Guide

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                                    • lankytim
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Dec 2005
                                      • 106

                                      #19
                                      Whoops. I should have put 44-6005- my mistake, sorry! All the books I have read have had it down as 44-6005, Where has 44-8639 come from?


                                      I think we have a match on the hook. Well done evryone who said it was from the bomb bay!
                                      http://www.zazzle.co.uk/b_17_bomb_ba...11077126081950
                                      Last edited by lankytim; 10th May 2012, 09:57.

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                                      • Alan Clark
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • Jan 2005
                                        • 817

                                        #20
                                        The accident report is where the correct serial came from.

                                        We didn't publish 6005, neither did Dave Smith in HGWs or Edward Doylerush in No Landing Place Vol.2 (though he did mention the incorrect serial as a note, saying it was incorrect), the spurious serial was published in the appendix of Legend of Llandwrog and No Landing Place Vol.1, and Terence Hill published it in Down in Wales, as did Dave Earl in Hell on High Ground. Those books were all published within a couple of years of each other and it was shortly after that the correct serial was found. Unfortunately once someone publishes an incorrect serial (or other information for that matter) it is very hard to correct the mistake as it can be re-published numerous times and be accepted as true, then you have an up hill battle.
                                        Last edited by Alan Clark; 10th May 2012, 16:40.
                                        Peak District Air Accident Research

                                        www.peakdistrictaircrashes.co.uk

                                        Aircraft Wrecks: The Walker's Guide

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