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  • mmitch
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    • Mar 2003
    • 1750

    Bulldogs for sale.

    On Pprune there this list of Nigian Air Force aircraft for sale.
    At the bottom are '12 Bulldogs' Even if these are not really airworthy
    might be useful spares?
    http://www.globalplanesearch.com/gps...ig-21.htm#pic5
    mmitch.
  • TonyT
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Oct 2006
    • 9023

    #2
    There is a debate on who owns the Jags they have for sale, they defaulted on them and UK plc as the guarantor picked up the tab. For the Nigerians to be saying the Bulldogs are scrap has to say something, considering the other ones are being sort of hinted at being airworthy but haven't flown since Possibly the 80's.
    Last edited by TonyT; 22nd April 2012, 12:39.

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    • AndyMarden
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Jun 2009
      • 204

      #3
      I saw 16 or so Bulldogs at Kaduna in early 2006. They all looked fit for the scrapman then, being sat outside in various stages of dereliction.
      Andy Marden

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      • D1566
        Needs retiring.
        • Apr 2006
        • 2121

        #4
        Originally posted by TonyT View Post
        For the Nigerians to be saying the Bulldogs are scrap has to say something, considering the other ones are being sort of hinted at being airworthy but haven't flown since Possibly the 80's.
        I wonder if they have got that transposed and the Bulldogs are the only ones not for scrap - the C-130 certainly does not look to be 'in good working order' .. ?
        Martin

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        • TonyT
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Oct 2006
          • 9023

          #5
          Someone on pprune agrees with you.. SASless

          Several years ago....spent two months on the NAF C-130 Ramp/Hangar area in Lagos.

          One aircraft was flyable.....if you had the sheer courage to get inside it.....or a complete lack of commonsense!

          Out of 25 Mig 21's....one could probably make one or two flyable with access to spare parts from elsewhere.

          The rest.....scrap metal!

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          • D1566
            Needs retiring.
            • Apr 2006
            • 2121

            #6
            Its also difficult to imagine them letting such potent hardware loose on the local market were it operable.
            Martin

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            • Jetdriver
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • Nov 2010
              • 41

              #7
              They still sell the planes via someone in the states.
              Acc to these guys the Jags had their last flights in the late 80's and are stored since then.
              The price per jet is close the 1. Mio pounds.

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              • TonyT
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Oct 2006
                • 9023

                #8
                There are doubts if they own them, the Jags were paid for by the UK apparently after they defaulted on payment, so any buyer might find a sudden claim slapped on them.

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                • David Burke
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Jan 2000
                  • 10028

                  #9
                  BAe tried to buy the Jaguars from Nigeria in the early 1990s when thye were still in reasonable condition. The aircraft on the tender have been for sale for a while -Nigeria I guess comes withing the list of places deemed as 'dangerous'!

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                  • ~Alan~
                    Rank 5 Registered User
                    • Mar 2010
                    • 5018

                    #10
                    The seller just needs you bank account details, for a transfer of money.
                    Engine Failure:.... A condition which occurs when all fuel tanks mysteriously become filled with air.

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                    • TonyT
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Oct 2006
                      • 9023

                      #11
                      I don't know why these backwards Countries buy modern hardware they simply cannot support or fund, it must be a bit of one upmanship sabre rattling against the nearby backwards Country that a couple of months later are shoved over to one side of an Airfield never to move again.

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                      • D1566
                        Needs retiring.
                        • Apr 2006
                        • 2121

                        #12
                        Originally posted by TonyT View Post
                        There are doubts if they own them, the Jags were paid for by the UK apparently after they defaulted on payment, so any buyer might find a sudden claim slapped on them.
                        Cannot imagine HMG being too troubled about having them back now ...
                        Martin

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                        • Dr. John Smith
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 356

                          #13
                          Bulldogs for sale

                          Originally posted by David Burke View Post
                          BAe tried to buy the Jaguars from Nigeria in the early 1990s when they were still in reasonable condition. The aircraft on the tender have been for sale for a while -Nigeria I guess comes within the list of places deemed as 'dangerous'!
                          Sepecat, , Jaguar

                          Sepecat, , Jaguar

                          "The final export success for the Jaguar was to Nigeria, which placed an order for eighteen aircraft (plus 18 options) in June 1983. Deliveries of the thirteen single-seaters and five two-seaters began in early 1984 to the sole Nigerian Jaguar operating base at Makurdi. Despite a military coup in Nigeria in December 1983, Jaguar deliveries continued and were completed in 1985.

                          The Nigerian Jaguars had the LRMTS nose, overwing rails for Sidewinders, and Adour Mk811-58 engines.

                          Four aircraft (three single-seaters and one two-seater) are known to have been written off:

                          NAF714 on July 14th 1985 in west Nigeria;
                          NAF702 on April 26th 1985 at Ikereku;
                          NAF7... on March 29th 1989 at Makurdi;
                          NAF7... in April 1989.

                          The last flight of a NAF Jaguar occurred in early 1990. Despite the small number of hours clocked up by these aircraft, they were left to rot at Makurdi. Attempts by BAe to recover the aircraft and refurbish them came to nothing"


                          http://www.targetlock.org.uk/jaguar/...e_nigeria.html and http://www.targetlock.org.uk/jaguar/...n_nigeria.html

                          If I recall correctly, there was serious interest from Oman in BAe refurbishing and acquiring these "nearly new" Nigerian Jags, which was defeated by a combination of Nigerian beaurocracy and corruption. Apparently, as alluded to above, it was due to the issue of who owned these airframes, and who had the authority to sell them on...

                          ..it's also worth nothing that the documentation attached to the twin-tub Jag states a total airframe time of 150 hours. Which probably confirms that this airframe has not seen any daylight under its wheels for some 20 years!

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