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  • xtangomike
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    • May 2006
    • 537

    New Spitfire

    Hmmm.....this is a new one, anyone got some history or details ?

    http://www.caa.co.uk/application.asp...llregmark=TCHZ
    'Where the hell have you been?'
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    For those who can access it, see my article in "After The Battle Magazine" number 55 from 1987.

    A real surprise to see this appear on the register!

    The aircraft was recovered by the Hawkinge Aeronautical Trust (Kent Battle of Britain Museum) in 1982.

    This Spitfire was lost on 16 April 1941 with Plt Off Mierzwa (303 Sqn) killed. It was shot down over Dungeness and dived into the shingle beach by The High Light (Dungeness lighthouse) and a small memorial marks the crash site.
    Last edited by Tangmere1940; 9th April 2012, 09:24.

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    • DCK
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      • Feb 2006
      • 1362

      #3
      The more the merrier! Can't have enough Spits!
      Norwegian Spitfire Foundation

      http://www.norwegianspitfire.no/
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      • Moggy C
        Moderator
        • Jan 2000
        • 20534

        #4
        That's not what Goering thought

        Moggy
        "What you must remember" Flip said "is that nine-tenths of Cattermole's charm lies beneath the surface." Many agreed.

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        • trumper
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          • Aug 2003
          • 6724

          #5
          will it be at *******

          How much of it remains,is there enough for a genuine rebuild.

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          • Bruce
            Independent analyst
            • Jan 2000
            • 10225

            #6
            As much as many others I'm sure!

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            • bms44
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              • Mar 2004
              • 341

              #7
              Originally posted by Moggy C View Post
              That's not what Goering thought

              Moggy
              'Dolfo' Galland chose to disagree with Hermann though, Moggy...

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              • jeepman
                infrequent poster now
                • Apr 2004
                • 1983

                #8
                Looking at the registration, I wonder whether it will have a blue stable-mate
                JM

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                  Several have requested details from my 1987 article (written in 1986) relative to the loss of P7819 at Dungeness. It is as follows:

                  "....As the Messerschmitts had come down in the attack the very first to go were 303’s weavers, Pilot Officers Waskiewicz and Mierzwa. Hit from behind, both took terrific punishment from the Messerschmitt’s 20mm cannon and 7.92mm machine guns. They probably never knew what hit them, and never had a chance to shout a warning. Waskiewicz plunged into the sea, no doubt dead over his controls, a momentary plume of spray and slick of oil being his only grave marker. Fractionally later and Mierzwa followed the same way, his Spitfire (P7819) roaring with awful ferocity into the pebble beach at Dungeness and shaking even the foundations of the solid and immovable lighthouse just yards away. It was some time before those on the ground could approach the blazing wreckage, although ‘wreckage’ is probably an incorrect term to describe the scene which met the gaze of those nearby. Almost nothing remained to show that an aeroplane had crashed here; the terrible inferno had sent exploding ammunition flying in all directions together with razor sharp flakes of flint from the pebbles which were shattering in the intense heat. When the blaze had died down, a small heap of white ash and molten aluminium lay around a shallow and blackened depression in the beach, the scorched pebbles having fallen back into the crater which had been viciously carved by the crash. When the stomach-churning task of picking through the wreckage had finished, the pitiful remains were taken away for burial by his brother Poles at Northwood. By some miracle, Boguslav Mierzwa’s identification had survived the crash."

                  The excavation at the crash site took place, I believe, in 1982. I do not know the detail of what was recovered save to say that the CBAF constructor's data plate from the cockpit was found.

                  Photo here of the on-site memorial:

                  http://www.urban75.org/photos/kent/dungeness.html
                  Last edited by Tangmere1940; 9th April 2012, 11:53.

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                  • xtangomike
                    Rank 5 Registered User
                    • May 2006
                    • 537

                    #10
                    Pilots of No. 303 (Polish) Squadron RAF with one of their Hawker Hurricanes, October 1940.

                    A group of pilots of No 303 Polish Fighter Squadron RAF walking toward the camera from a Hawker Hurricane after, purportedly, returning from a fighter sortie. Left to right, in the front row are; Pilot Officer Mirosław Ferić, Flight Lieutenant John A Kent (Commander of 'A' Flight), Flying Officer Bogdan Grzeszczak, Pilot Officer Jerzy Radomski, Pilot Officer Witold Łokuciewski, Pilot Officer Bogusław Mierzwa (obscured by Łokuciewski), Flying Officer Zdzisław Henneberg, Sergeant Jan Rogowski and Sergeant Eugeniusz Szaposznikow. In the centre, to the rear of this group, wearing helmet and goggles is Flying Officer Jan Zumbach.
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                    • PanzerJohn
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                      • Aug 2008
                      • 768

                      #11
                      So they got the data plate, half way there, bolt a pair of wings onto it with a cockpit and few other bits, and bob's yer uncle, Legends beckons!

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                      • knifeedgeturn
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                        • Sep 2010
                        • 534

                        #12
                        "The excavation at the crash site took place, I believe, in 1982. I do not know the detail of what was recovered save to say that the CBAF constructor's data plate from the cockpit was found."

                        See my signature below.....
                        " A man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest"

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                        • xtangomike
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                          • May 2006
                          • 537

                          #13
                          Perhaps they were at the auction....!!!!!?????
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by knifeedgeturn View Post
                            "The excavation at the crash site took place, I believe, in 1982. I do not know the detail of what was recovered save to say that the CBAF constructor's data plate from the cockpit was found."

                            See my signature below.....
                            Page 49 of my article on The Dungeness Spitfire (ATB Magazine No 55, 1987) and you will find a photograph of the said data plate.

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                            • G-ORDY
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                              • Mar 2005
                              • 928

                              #15
                              This video clip shows the other aircraft involved in this action taxying past the camera. It was "RF-R", Hereward the Wake, P8039. A presentation aircraft bought by the people of Ely, Cambridgeshire.


                              http://www.britishpathe.com/video/po...heir-president
                              Now finished Hawker Hurricane Survivors - published by Grub Street http://grubstreet.co.uk/product/hawk...ane-survivors/

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                                ....which now (possibly) lies 850 yards SW of Dungeness Point.

                                Get your diving gear out, but look out for the nuclear power station cooling intake or outfall!

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                                • paulmcmillan
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                                  • Jan 2000
                                  • 2650

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Tangmere1940 View Post
                                  ....which now (possibly) lies 850 yards SW of Dungeness Point.

                                  Get your diving gear out, but look out for the nuclear power station cooling intake or outfall!
                                  Has that particular Spitfire got a "Dungeness B" Wing?
                                  Weather - Fair with cloudy patches, clear by early evening.

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                                  • GrahamF
                                    Rank 5 Registered User
                                    • Oct 2007
                                    • 467

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by trumper View Post
                                    will it be at *******

                                    How much of it remains,is there enough for a genuine rebuild.
                                    Quite a lot, they managed to recover a cigarette butt from the bottom of the cockpit which reputedly fell from the lips of the chap at Supermarine who fitted the wings.
                                    It will be encapsulated in resin and bolted to the inside of the cockpit to insure
                                    originality with the real aircraft.
                                    "The 262's most dangerous opponent :- Hawker Tempest - extremely fast at low altitudes, highly-manoeuvrable and heavily-armed."
                                    (H. Lange, 262 pilot)

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                                    • CeBro
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Sep 2009
                                      • 2147

                                      #19
                                      Come on chaps,

                                      Step back in reality, this is how this works for the CAA. Accept it or seek
                                      a new pastime to enjoy. You don't have to like it, but it doesn't
                                      help repeating this over and over again. Remember, it's the Spitfire forum, or was it the Lancaster forum,.......

                                      Keep them coming, in droves please.
                                      Cees

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                                        #20
                                        I agree. Never enough new projects!

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