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  • mmitch
    Member
    • Mar 2003
    • 1750

    A missed chance for Cockpitfest?

    I see the Arts Council have given an 'artist' 500,000 to tow a DC9 fuselage round Wales. I'm sure the Plugmeister could have done a better deal with 20 cockpits!
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ting-5-4m.html
    mmitch.
  • bazv
    olde rigger
    • Feb 2005
    • 5875

    #2
    If these amounts are true...you really could not make it up

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    • TwinOtter23
      NAM volunteer-Plugmeister
      • Jan 2006
      • 7761

      #3
      ACE don't know what they're missing!

      I'm still not into their ways - woolly teddies here in the East Midlands!!

      Amendment - sorry crocheted lions!
      Last edited by TwinOtter23; 24th March 2012, 13:42. Reason: correction
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      • Creaking Door
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Sep 2006
        • 9863

        #4
        Well, Ill certainly remember that.....when I watch HMS Plymouth being towed off to be scrapped!

        I loath this country sometimes.
        WA$.

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        • Clint Mitchell
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Dec 2010
          • 204

          #5
          Sadly the unbelievable has become the norm when it comes to this country. The most lateral thinking intellectuals on the planet would still, in their most wildest dreams fail to make up some of the things the government spends our money on. AND gets away with it. It's just crazy.
          Luftwaffe Research Group

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          • Mostlyharmless
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Jun 2007
            • 195

            #6
            Whilst I agree with the sentiments here, especially that the olympics is a monumental waste of money I feel there is more to this story.

            Arts Council funding is notoriously hard to get, even for a minimal amounts it requires a hell of a lot of paperwork, proposals, planning and sponsorship so they won't just be flippantly throwing it towards the DC9.

            I wish more could be preserved, HMS Plymouth in particular, but there has to be a balance between looking after the past and creating new things for the future, be it tangible items or concepts.

            People regularly lament Britain's lack of innovation these days but times and markets change - Britain is a world leader in contempory art generating massive profits and attempting to widen the way people think. Sometimes its rubbish and doesnt make sense, other times its fantastic, but thats what innovation should be about, taking risks.

            Had I as a 10 year old gone into the Tate Britain and seen Fiona Banner's Harrier hanging there like the spoils of a hunt id have probably been straight home to look up where I could see one actually fly! (before realising I couldnt anymore due to other ridiculous decisions, but thats another story)

            MH

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            • merkle
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • Jan 2006
              • 1125

              #7
              Is it Me ????.. Is It ???, or would you all agree Finally the Lunatics ARE running the asylum ?? .....
              coke cans a bottle tops

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              • Creaking Door
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • Sep 2006
                • 9863

                #8
                I dont want to give the impression that Im stuck in the past or anti-art (or anti-anything-that-isnt-about-preserving-history); for example I am pro-Olympics although I have absolutely no interest whatsoever in any of the sporting events that will be taking place.

                I actually went to see the Sea Harrier and the Jaguar that were displayed in the Tate for a while. I seem to remember that these art installations generated a lot of criticism here but I was quite impressed, particularly by the Jaguar; it was a very interesting way to view the aircraft and gave an insight into their construction that I hadnt experienced before (the engineering however was a bit ropey in places). I doubt that is what the artist intended but that isnt really important is it.

                Im sure there is an enormous bureaucratic mountain to climb to get Arts Council funding but that wouldnt really be my criticism; my problem is that so much money is allocated to these transient displays when the art element is minimal and the money seems to be being spent on the engineering (and Im very keen on engineering). I would have no objection to spending the same amount of money on some properly funded, and lasting, art engineering workshops; something sustainable that could generate a lasting legacy for young artists.

                Im sure seeing a DC9 trailer roll down your street will be vaguely memorable but so would filling the entire street with cow-dung; and I dont see how either of these events has any connection whatsoever to do with the Olympics other than to satisfy some ill-conceived government quota for ensuring that Olympics money isnt all spent in London, England!
                WA$.

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                • PeterW
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Jan 2000
                  • 389

                  #9
                  I'm not going to knock them spending the money, but it's the choice of what it's being spent on. They say the idea is to create a memory that lasts with people, but how many people will see the DC9, or attend the football game in the forest or any of the other projects? I'd have liked to have seen something permenant that would last for generations. Think Angel Of The North type project.
                  pb::

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                  • Rocketeer
                    trying harder
                    • Jan 2005
                    • 5243

                    #10
                    Originally posted by TwinOtter23 View Post
                    ACE don't know what they're missing!

                    I'm still not into their ways - woolly teddies here in the East Midlands!!

                    Amendment - sorry crocheted lions!
                    I know the armed forces are drawing down but was pleased to see:

                    'RAF Collage Of Air Warfare, Macaws Display Team'
                    Tony Dyer
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                    • stevew62
                      Rank 5 Registered User
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 93

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Rocketeer View Post
                      ..... pleased to see:

                      'RAF Collage Of Air Warfare, Macaws Display Team'

                      TwinOtter can you expand on this ?

                      Are a few of the ex-display pilots attending ?

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                      • TwinOtter23
                        NAM volunteer-Plugmeister
                        • Jan 2006
                        • 7761

                        #12
                        Not that I’m aware of.

                        I believe that Rocketeer was merely making a ‘play on words’ comment using the word “Collage”
                        Last edited by TwinOtter23; 1st April 2012, 21:55. Reason: 'a'
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                        • Anon
                          Mike Davey
                          • Jan 2008
                          • 2865

                          #13
                          Ha ha, too much Linton Gin, methinks? - or not enough, perhaps!

                          Anon.

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                          • TwinOtter23
                            NAM volunteer-Plugmeister
                            • Jan 2006
                            • 7761

                            #14
                            Im sure therell be lots of gin at the Saturday evening do for this reunion later this month!!
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                            • TwinOtter23
                              NAM volunteer-Plugmeister
                              • Jan 2006
                              • 7761

                              #15
                              Originally posted by stevew62 View Post

                              TwinOtter can you expand on this ?

                              Are a few of the ex-display pilots attending ?

                              Steve,

                              I must apologise for missing that the NAM 2012 Cockpit-Fest listing has details of a display about RAF College Of Air Warfare, Macaws Display Team information overload Im afraid, sorry!!

                              I will endeavour to find out what is being planned for this particular display I also anticipate that a further event update will be added to the NAM website later today!
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                              • stevew62
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • Dec 2008
                                • 93

                                #16
                                Originally posted by TwinOtter23 View Post
                                Steve,

                                I must apologise for missing that the NAM 2012 Cockpit-Fest listing has details of a display about RAF College Of Air Warfare, Macaws Display Team information overload Im afraid, sorry!!

                                I will endeavour to find out what is being planned for this particular display I also anticipate that a further event update will be added to the NAM website later today!

                                Thanks T.O. I'd appreciate it.

                                I will be visiting Cockpitfest for the first time this year & am primarily interested in Aerobatics ( especially Jet Provost teams ) & Javelins so it looks like the event will fit the bill perfectly !

                                I'm hoping to go home with loads of bits for my JP & Javelin instrument panels. ( from the Aeroboot, not the aircraft on display )

                                Tkanks
                                Steve



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                                • TwinOtter23
                                  NAM volunteer-Plugmeister
                                  • Jan 2006
                                  • 7761

                                  #17
                                  Steve a request for more details has been sent to the exhibitor and we are still waiting for a reply!

                                  We'll be watching you on your parts search!!
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                                  • TwinOtter23
                                    NAM volunteer-Plugmeister
                                    • Jan 2006
                                    • 7761

                                    #18
                                    Steve,

                                    Below is the response from the exhibitor; you also have a PM!

                                    “I will be showing original team photos along with flying helmets with oxygen masks, which have been painted to show the teams over the years. I will be also showing different types of flying suits worn by aircrew and the Macaws from Manby.

                                    There will be a team members display board that shows all the team members from 1968 to 1973.

                                    90 percent of the items in the collection are original but some patches and other items have been replicated to show people what the Macaws were about.

                                    There will also be on show a selection of station items from both the flying college and the college of air warfare, and small parts from my Jet Provost XS177 that flew with the Macaws in 1972.

                                    I hope this is of some help and people should not be disappointed with the display.”
                                    Last edited by TwinOtter23; 16th April 2012, 11:46. Reason: typo!
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