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  • timuss
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • May 2009
    • 350

    #81
    still no mention of a UK release date as yet. Shame as i was looking forward to watching this.

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    • Mike J
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2000
      • 3241

      #82
      The US DVD and Blu Ray releases are scheduled for May 22nd, so I suspect it will be 'straight to DVD' for the rest of the world.

      For those interested, there is a feature in the current (May) 'Classic Aircraft' (the magazine is part of Key Publishing's latest acquisition from Ian Allan, so I feel justified in mentioning it here) on 'Red Tails'.

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      • Matty
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        • Nov 2006
        • 180

        #83
        UK release date is set for June 6th.

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        • Mike J
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2000
          • 3241

          #84
          Originally posted by Matty View Post
          UK release date is set for June 6th.
          For the DVD, or is there to be a cinema release?

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          • Matty
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Nov 2006
            • 180

            #85
            Originally posted by Mike J View Post
            For the DVD, or is there to be a cinema release?

            According to the internets it should be a cinema release.

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            • DCK
              DCK
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              • Feb 2006
              • 1361

              #86
              Just saw it:

              About CGI: Nearly there, give it another 10 years and it will be close to perfect. Another Battle of Britain movie? Do it in 2020.

              About the film: Decent to not very good at all. As shown in the promo, that P-51 flick-over-stall-loop - fancy flying while shooting down a 109 was plain stupid. I saw it in context now, and can confirm the stupidity of it. The German 109s were dropping like flies, and of course they had their own German nemsis, a chap which I've seen so many times in Commando comic books. Stupid. They escorted bombers to Berlin and managed to at least shoot down four Me 262's. Stupid once again. The planes looked good though, the P-40's sexy too and the P-51's were shiny and cute.

              Watch it, but here's how you do it; Forget history, realism or anything like that. Just go if you want to see George Lucas playing around with CGI and finding out how good he can make it. Treat it like that Avatar movie, only this one in aviation-mode.

              But here's how it DOES work.

              This movie, which all of us will find just stupid, will trigger SO many young minds, just like Memphis Belle did to me and the generation before me with Battle of Britain. For that it's near perfect. This movie it's not made for us. It's made for teenagers who don't know anything about history. It will trigger their little heads and I am 100% certain about one thing; in 10 years some guy will show up somewhere, either as a warbirds pilot, as an aviation author or something else and he will say;

              "I guess it all started after I saw Red Tails. It was a really silly movie, but it sure made me interested in historic aviation".
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              • Dave Homewood
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                • Mar 2004
                • 5636

                #87
                "I guess it all started after I saw Iron Eagle 3. It was a really silly movie, but it sure made me interested in bad films involving historic aviation".

                One thing thta has bugged me when i have watched the trailer, if a B-17 were hit and was going down, would the captain get on a radio and shout "Mayday, mayday"? Would it not be the radio operator on the wireless telegraphy set tapping out a Morse message about their peril? Did the B-17's even have voice radio for the captains? I'm not criticising, I'm genuinely curious.
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                • DCK
                  DCK
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Feb 2006
                  • 1361

                  #88
                  Originally posted by Dave Homewood View Post
                  "I guess it all started after I saw Iron Eagle 3. It was a really silly movie, but it sure made me interested in bad films involving historic aviation".

                  One thing thta has bugged me when i have watched the trailer, if a B-17 were hit and was going down, would the captain get on a radio and shout "Mayday, mayday"? Would it not be the radio operator on the wireless telegraphy set tapping out a Morse message about their peril? Did the B-17's even have voice radio for the captains? I'm not criticising, I'm genuinely curious.
                  I actually saw Iron Eagle 3 as an 8 year old and found it damn thrilling.
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                  • XF828
                    Rank 5 Registered User
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 109

                    #89
                    I have seen the first 30 minutes of Red Tails. I couldn't take any more.

                    By far the most gash attempt at WWII action ever committed to celluloid (or USB stick). Michael Bay style cartoon rubbish CGI with a script that makes it clear that the film's intended audience is the mentally sub-normal.

                    Compare to this Pearl Harbo[u]r was a cinematic tour de force. And at least that had some nice grey ships in it.

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                    • DazDaMan
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                      • Aug 2003
                      • 18694

                      #90
                      Originally posted by DCK View Post
                      I actually saw Iron Eagle 3 as an 8 year old and found it damn thrilling.
                      I quite liked Iron Eagle 3.... :diablo:
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                      • J Boyle
                        With malice towards none
                        • Oct 2004
                        • 9751

                        #91
                        For CGI'd historic aviation, i finally got around to watching The Red Baron. I rather liked it and found it reasonably accurate (if you discount MvR and Brown having met a couple of times).
                        Hopefully, it will prompt some interest in aviation history.

                        PS. And the evil Queen from Game of Thrones was in it...a surprise.
                        There are two sides to every story. The truth is usually somewhere between the two.

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                        • Stepwilk
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                          • Sep 2010
                          • 664

                          #92
                          cartoon rubbish CGI with a script that makes it clear that the film's intended audience is the mentally sub-normal.
                          Very nice. The film's intended audience is not elderly anoraks but teenagers, specifically male African-American teenagers who badly need role models, since they are far too often children without fathers, in a single-parent household.

                          For three hours each week, in my local Tuskegee Airmen chapter's Lee Archer Red Tail Flying Program, I teach and mentor exactly such a group of "mentally sub-normal" individuals. This year and last year, one each of our mentally sub-normal minority students, out of a class of a dozen and a half, was accepted to a U. S.college called Harvard. This year, another has been accepted to the U. S. Naval Academy, better know to the mentally sub-normal among us as Annapolis.

                          All three of them, as well as all the rest of my students, were thrilled to see "Red Tails."

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                          • J Boyle
                            With malice towards none
                            • Oct 2004
                            • 9751

                            #93
                            Originally posted by Stepwilk View Post
                            Very nice. The film's intended audience is not elderly anoraks but teenagers, specifically male African-American teenagers who badly need role models, since they are far too often children without fathers, in a single-parent household.
                            A laudable goal.
                            But I do hope they realize what they saw was an enhanced (Hollywood or comic book) version of history, not univdersity-level (Harvard and USNA included) unbiased history.
                            There are two sides to every story. The truth is usually somewhere between the two.

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                            • inkworm
                              Rank outsider
                              • Jan 2010
                              • 1264

                              #94
                              Since when has history ever been unbiased?

                              As for Red Tails it's in the same vein as the old Victor and Commando comics, historically accurate to a point but also there to provide light entertainment.

                              The real problem is that too many people do not have sufficient historical awareness to differentiate between solid fact and fiction, hybrid films just confuse them even more. The recent case of people being genuinely astounded to find out that the Titanic was a real ship that actually went down, not just some jolly film by Cameron is a perfect example.

                              Would those who complain rather the film wasn't made in the first place?

                              DCK has pretty much hit the nail on the head though.
                              Push enough pixels around and it'll look like an aeroplane profile.

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                              • Gerard
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                                • Aug 2009
                                • 3121

                                #95
                                I've seen it and I liked it. Ok the CGI can be better in some scenes. Watching one of the last scenes I was wondering of there were dogfights between ME262 and P51's?

                                I watched the movie en route to the USA on a flight from AMS. so very small screen!!
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                                • Andy in Beds
                                  Hawker Aircraft Fan
                                  • Oct 2003
                                  • 2900

                                  #96
                                  My view remains the same. Why insult the men of the 332nd Fighter Group (or for that matter the intelligence of today's young audience) with comic book heroics..?
                                  if you need to enhance what those blokes really did with false heroics--climbing into the cramped cockpit of a P-51 and sitting on something as comfortable as a parachute pack, surrounded by high octane petrol, taking off from a PSP runway and trying to keep the damned overloaded thing straight, then flying for the best part of four hours over sea and the Alps, then fighting a prepared enemy at 25,000 feet, always watching fuel, ammunition (and your back--plus your leader's back), plus trying to keep the enemy away from the bombers, then doing a bit of ground strafing to finish off the ammo, then flying home for another four hours across the mountains and sea again (always watching the fuel gauge) and finally landing back on the same PSP strip--assuming the aeroplane isn't damaged in some way--and all with the prospect of doing it again tomorrow--and the next day--and the day after that--and so and so forth--then you're telling the story incorrectly, and it doesn't matter who the audience is.
                                  If however you're trying to make war seem glamorous or glorious and/or exciting, either for the purpose of turning a buck or pushing a political point then I suppose a situation may arise where enhancing the truth may become necessary.
                                  All I can say on that is that I consider myself lucky that I've never been in a war. In my experience of meeting, talking and listening to those who have, they think those of us who've lived a life in peace are indeed lucky too.
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                                  • Stepwilk
                                    Rank 5 Registered User
                                    • Sep 2010
                                    • 664

                                    #97
                                    dogfights between ME262 and P51's?
                                    At least one Tuskegee Airman shot down an Me-262, and I believe it was Lee Archer.

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                                    • J Boyle
                                      With malice towards none
                                      • Oct 2004
                                      • 9751

                                      #98
                                      Originally posted by inkworm View Post
                                      As for Red Tails it's in the same vein as the old Victor and Commando comics, historically accurate to a point but also there to provide light entertainment.
                                      The real problem is that too many people do not have sufficient historical awareness to differentiate between solid fact and fiction, hybrid films just confuse them even more.
                                      That's my point. It bad enough Hollywood/Pinewood/Bollywood, etc has b@stardized history for the last 100 years..but to have it intentionally done as a "feel good" lesson in race history, I find a bit disconcerning.

                                      Stephen, I don't disagree with the goals of the program you're involved with, but I'm not sure stretching the facts is the way to do it.
                                      Yes, fatherless black boys need role models, but I'm not sure having a generation thinking the Tuskegee airmen were the super-group of WWII aviation is the way to do it.
                                      There are two sides to every story. The truth is usually somewhere between the two.

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