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  • brewerjerry
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    • May 2004
    • 917

    Red Tails new film

    Hi
    Not sure if this has been mentioned here.
    cheers
    Jerry

    http://www.redtails2012.com/

    http://www.redtails2012.com/airfieldbase.html#/trailers

    http://www.redtails2012.com/airfield...tml#/projector
  • Stepwilk
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    • Sep 2010
    • 664

    #2
    Spielberg also shot an accompanying nonfiction documentary, "Double Victory," that in the US will be shown on the History Channel. Here in the East, it's on I believe on 1/12 at 8 p.m. Eastern time and again on 1/14 at 4 p.m., and I'm sure it will be repeated a number of times thereafter. "Double Victory" refers to their victory against the Luftwaffe as well as against racism.

    As a member of the Maj. Gen. Irene Trowell-Harris Chapter (Newburgh, NY) of the Tuskegee Airmen, I look forward to the film even though it frankly is going to be Star Wars with P-51s rather than X-Fighters. Oh, well, we'll take what we can get...

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    • DazDaMan
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      • Aug 2003
      • 18694

      #3
      Some footage from it below:

      http://www.slashfilm.com/minutes-luc...quels-sequels/
      Daren Cogdon

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      • Keefy041
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        • Nov 2011
        • 267

        #4
        Hope the new Dambusters film is better than this. Sorry but the CGI just does'nt look real.
        People slag off the Memphis belle remake , but at least a lot of the flying looked right ......because it had real aeroplanes.
        Perhaps it'll look better on the big screen.

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        • DCK
          DCK
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          • Feb 2006
          • 1361

          #5
          Originally posted by Keefy041 View Post
          Hope the new Dambusters film is better than this. Sorry but the CGI just does'nt look real.
          People slag off the Memphis belle remake , but at least a lot of the flying looked right ......because it had real aeroplanes.
          Perhaps it'll look better on the big screen.
          Best CGI on the market. Still not 100%, but watchable? Of course. Without CGI, a movie like this can't be made any more.

          I support their efforts and I support CGI because WHEN it gets 100% and not 95%, doors can be opened to places where no one has ever been able to go before in historic aviation. The options are endless. With a little luck, and if these films will be made, it can generate thousands of new fans of historic aviation. That means thousands of new airshow goers, perhaps even a handfull of stinky rich investors in 10-15 years ready to splash out on that Hawker Tempest restoration because they maybe, just maybe saw a movie like this and got hooked. I saw Memphis Belle when I was 10 and I got hooked. So will others, and with todays possibilities, the sky is the limit. Pun intended.
          Last edited by DCK; 11th January 2012, 21:47.
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          • Arthur Pewtey
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            • Sep 2006
            • 1000

            #6
            I have to say that the 7 minute clip I've just watched looks very good indeed. I look forward very much to seeing this movie. A story that deserves to be told to bigger audience.
            So much for Pathos

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            • Mike J
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              • Jan 2000
              • 3241

              #7
              Originally posted by DCK View Post
              Without CGI, a movie like this can't be made any more.
              I'm curious as to why you think that. There are more WWII-era aircraft available now than at any time since the 1950s, camera technology has improved significantly, the skills in terms of piloting and filming still exist as they always have. So why would something that was once possible now no longer be so?

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              • DazDaMan
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                • Aug 2003
                • 18694

                #8
                I think it's the expense of operating a warbird (of any kind) for film work, as opposed to using a computer program.

                What is it, per operating hour, for a Mustang these days? The DVD of Dark Blue World states that the cost was $10,000ph for a Spitfire - back in 2000...!

                You might argue that a Hollywood war film budget could afford a few hours of operating warbirds, but then look at the problems with the filming of Battle of Britain back in 1968...
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                • Stepwilk
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                  • Sep 2010
                  • 664

                  #9
                  It needs to be remembered that George Lucas, the director, has said time and again that the intended audience for this film is "teenage boys"--particularly African-American boys, for whom he has tried to make a film that will give them a few badly needed heros. He straight-out says the film is corny and is little more than an updated "Flying Leathernecks." He jokes that it's actually Episode Seven of the "Star Wars" series.

                  So the gripes of 65-year-old rivet-counters, aging aviation historians (me), and guardians of Aviation Truth are utterly irrelevant to him, and I think that's just fine. (And as I said above, I'm even a card-carrying member of the Tuskegee Airmen association.)

                  There was absolutely no need for him to use real aircraft, any more than he needed real spaceships for "Star Wars" or a real Luftwaffe airplane for the Indiana Jones film. It's a film for teenagers, guys!
                  Last edited by Stepwilk; 11th January 2012, 22:11.

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                  • Bager1968
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                    • May 2005
                    • 3635

                    #10
                    The group-chant "we fight" bit is way too much "modern-day sports team" for me.
                    Germany, Austria and Italy are standing together in the middle of the pub, when Serbia bumps into Austria, and spills Austria's pint.

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                    • Stepwilk
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                      • Sep 2010
                      • 664

                      #11
                      As I said, that's because you're not a teenage boy. (Are you?) For a 16-year-old, football-crazed, hyped-up male it makes perfect sense.

                      Would you prefer they lift toby mugs to each other? In 2012, a kid would wonder what was wrong with their misshapen coffecups.

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                      • PeterW
                        Rank 5 Registered User
                        • Jan 2000
                        • 389

                        #12
                        Interesting article on the BBC website

                        http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-16525977

                        There's no release date for the UK yet. I have a feeling they will wait and see how it does in the USA before deciding if it's worth releasing in cinemas here or not.

                        Peter
                        pb::

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                        • DCK
                          DCK
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                          • Feb 2006
                          • 1361

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Mike J View Post
                          I'm curious as to why you think that. There are more WWII-era aircraft available now than at any time since the 1950s, camera technology has improved significantly, the skills in terms of piloting and filming still exist as they always have. So why would something that was once possible now no longer be so?
                          Cost vs interest in historic aviation.

                          The skills are there, the planes are there, but no way any major film maker want to invest the kind of money needed to fly them for a movie. Maybe I'm wrong, but the world isn't flooding with Battle of Britain movies...
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                          • Mike J
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                            • Jan 2000
                            • 3241

                            #14
                            Originally posted by DCK View Post
                            Cost vs interest in historic aviation.

                            The skills are there, the planes are there, but no way any major film maker want to invest the kind of money needed to fly them for a movie. Maybe I'm wrong, but the world isn't flooding with Battle of Britain movies...
                            Well, there's a major movie in the offing that will have significant historic aircraft content, if it comes to fruition. And I'd not expect to have much CGI either. So we'll just have to wait and see.

                            Oh, and I keep hearing that CGI costs considerably more than using real aircraft per second of on-screen time.

                            'Red Tails' is released here next Friday, I'll report back once I've seen it

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                            • inkworm
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                              • Jan 2010
                              • 1264

                              #15
                              Originally posted by PeterW View Post
                              Interesting article on the BBC website

                              http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-16525977

                              There's no release date for the UK yet. I have a feeling they will wait and see how it does in the USA before deciding if it's worth releasing in cinemas here or not.

                              Peter

                              I saw that and was a bit surprised, as long as it doesn't distort the truth (too much) and has plenty of enjoyable flight scenes I'm not bothered about colour or even the name of a dog!

                              The bit that really caught my eye though was the final line about if it was successful a prequel and sequel planned, wonder what they would involve.
                              Push enough pixels around and it'll look like an aeroplane profile.

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                              • duxfordhawk
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                                • Sep 2003
                                • 2334

                                #16
                                I swore Peter Teichmann's P-40 was being used in this film, have I got the wrong film?
                                From the trailer I am not too impressed with the CGI either however if the film tells the true enough story of The Tuskegee airmen I will give it a watch.
                                Its a very important story and one that the young generation should get to hear about, So I hope the whole film is tastefully done.
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                                • Mike J
                                  Senior Member
                                  • Jan 2000
                                  • 3241

                                  #17
                                  2 P-40s, 2 P-51s and 'Pink Lady' were used in Czech for the original filming, and some scenes were re-shot at Schellville in northern California using Chris Prevost's P-40

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                                  • Lincoln 7
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                                    • Jun 2010
                                    • 8403

                                    #18
                                    Hi Chris. I have seen several clips of this film, and can't wait for it (Hopefully to appear over here.
                                    In a strange sort of way it reminded me of the film "Wind talkers".They were a race who had to try and prove they were as good as the next man.
                                    Jim.

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                                    • Propstrike
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                                      • Mar 2004
                                      • 3995

                                      #19
                                      CGI can be convincing, but it really needs to be created with an understanding, or even better, a love of aeroplanes and aviation.

                                      ' Merlins' has been around for a few years, and no doubt advancing technology could improve it even more now, but it is still pretty darned convincing.

                                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1RV4O9vUqU

                                      Big screen CGI movies seem to be edited with very little reference to actual aircraft, the way they fly, speed they change direction, thus tainting the production with a games arcade feel which so dents the appeal of the film.

                                      Pearl Harbor was pretty ropey anyway, but the cartoonish CGI pulled it down even more, and Flyboys was worse still. The 'angry bees ' sound track does not help much either.

                                      But in sympathetic hands, CGI has a lot to offer.


                                      Another good one, same artist


                                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQOTUo672x4
                                      Last edited by Propstrike; 13th January 2012, 00:07.

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                                      • Dave Homewood
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                                        • Mar 2004
                                        • 5636

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by PeterW View Post
                                        There's no release date for the UK yet. I have a feeling they will wait and see how it does in the USA before deciding if it's worth releasing in cinemas here or not.

                                        Peter
                                        There was just a British news report on TV here (in NZ) a few minutes ago where Nina Nana interviewed two real Tuskagee airmen in the Imperial War Museum, London. One of then was a lt Col Jefferson but I didn't catch the other man's name.

                                        Anyway that report said it opens next week in the UK.
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