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  • baloffski
    Rank 5 Registered User
    • Mar 2009
    • 282

    Sqn Numberplates

    With the cuts, we are about to lose a lot of very historic numberplates, notably 1(F) and IV (AC) Sqn when the Harrier goes out of service plus 5 (AC) when Sentinel goes; and a few of us were contemplating where these plates would/could go.

    Out of interest and notwithstanding historic and ORBAT precedence, if there were to be a complete re-numbering of every Sqn which numbers should we definitely keep and who should get them?

    F'rinstance 1(F) could be renamed 1 (RAFAT) Sqn and fly red Hawks (T1A are still sidewinder and gun capable so there is a tenous fighter link). 617 could be based out of Coningsby flying the BBMF aircraft?

    So what should be saved?

    Play nicely now!
    It is fine to want to soar with the eagles. However, weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
  • cotteswold
    cotteswold
    • Jul 2008
    • 697

    #2
    No 1(F) should NEVER be demolished.

    Just think on where they have been & what they have achieved.

    Better the MoD.

    = Tim
    Last edited by cotteswold; 25th October 2010, 12:12.

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    • pagen01
      St Mawganphile
      • Aug 2007
      • 10711

      #3
      I assume the Harrier sqns will eventually re-commission with the F-35?

      Actually I probably wouldn't change much looking at the current structure and taking current losses into account, you would really have to know about exact numbers being chopped, but this is my what if,

      1 JSF
      2 Tornado GR
      3 Typhoon
      4 JSF
      5 Shadow R.1
      6 Typhoon
      7 Chinook
      8 Sentry
      9 Tornado GR
      10 Airbus tanker
      11 Typhoon
      12 Tornado GR
      13 Tornado GR
      14 disband and move Tornados
      15 disband and move Tornados
      17 Typhoon
      18 Chinook
      19 Hawk T.2s
      22 Sea King
      24 Herc then A400
      27 Chinook
      28 Merlin
      29 Typhoon
      30 Herc then A400
      31 disband and move Tornados
      32 125 and 146
      33 Puma
      39 UAV
      41 disband
      45 King Air
      47 Herc to A400
      51 RC-135
      55 Dominie or replacement (King Air?)
      60 Squirel & Griffin
      72 Tucano or replacement
      101 Airbus transport
      99 C-17
      100 Hawk support role
      208 Hawk T.2
      230 Puma
      617 Tornado GR
      Last edited by pagen01; 25th October 2010, 12:58.
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      • inkworm
        Rank outsider
        • Jan 2010
        • 1264

        #4
        Can we assume anything with this government? It is painful to think of all the numbers that have been retired over the years, the auxiliary squadrons etc there are only so many numbers to go round and with even more cuts I hate to say it but I could see the day when 1, 3 and 4 are all just a bunch of lads sitting in a darkened room controlling UAVs that are somewhere else and that would be the sum total of the Royal Air Force.
        Push enough pixels around and it'll look like an aeroplane profile.

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        • Resmoroh
          Rank 5 Registered User
          • Apr 2007
          • 978

          #5
          It might be a realistic thought to look forward to the time (in the not too distant future!) when all real RAF flying is - to quote the title of this forum - historic aviation!!
          All the Squadrons we know will disappear! A few people will be doing what I (and many like me, I suspect) do, which is to "fly" on a computer simulator. Those few remaining members of the RAF will be doing the same thing - i.e. "flying" UAVs from some bunker! It's a sad thought but, I think, almost inevitable.
          All those Squadrons have a long and proud history. And many have a magnificent collection of memorabilia and Squadron Silver accumulated over many years and in many places. It would be a travesty of justice if that were to be sold or (worse still) melted down simply as "surplus to requirements".
          Some considerable thought needs to be taken now to ensure that the historical record does not just disappear!
          Or am I being too pessimistically gloomy too early? Some may say I am; but I doubt it!!
          Rgds
          Resmoroh

          PS Inkworm beat me to it. Great minds think alike!
          Meteorology is a science: good meteorology is an art.

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          • DaveF68
            Rank 5 Registered User
            • Jun 2004
            • 1790

            #6
            There is beleived to be a second UAV squadron forming next year, which could take the 1 or 4 badge - alternatively, if the second and third Leuchars Typhoon squadrons emerge, 43 and 111 could be consigned to history.

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            • pagen01
              St Mawganphile
              • Aug 2007
              • 10711

              #7
              58, or if 13 disband, would be a good UAV sqn.
              http://www.abpic.co.uk/search.php?q=...t=most_popular

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              • PeterVerney
                Rank 5 Registered User
                • May 2009
                • 1021

                #8
                Come back Duncan Sandys, all is forgiven.
                Man is not lost. Only temporarily uncertain of his position.

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                • baloffski
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 282

                  #9
                  Good reply Pagen01 but a few things:

                  5 (AC) will disband at the end of the Afghan campaign as the Sentinel will be done away with, but it could reform straight away(ish) with Rivet Joint 707's.

                  I doubt XV (R) will disband it is the biggest Sqn in the RAF and will still be very important in the Tornado world.

                  Now for the bones of contention:

                  Historically, and that after all is what we are about:

                  Keep 99 who have been truckies for the last fifty years on and off but disband 14 with nearly unbroken offensive air since they formed?

                  Keep 60 who spent most of there op time in the middle east but ditch Battle of Britain Sqn 41?

                  Should the RAF be without 1(F) arguably the most important and if you count balloon ops the oldest Sqn in the world, for ten years waiting for JSF?

                  As stated above 5 could reform almost imediately with RC135 but then what of 51?
                  It is fine to want to soar with the eagles. However, weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.

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                  • pagen01
                    St Mawganphile
                    • Aug 2007
                    • 10711

                    #10
                    You've confused me slightly Baloffski, Surely the RC-135 will be operated by 51 sqn when their Nimrods go, and 5 sqn are already operating the Shadow R.1 which I would think they will carry on doing once the Sentinal R.1 goes?

                    BTW does anyone know what the RC-135 will be named in RAF service?

                    I picked XV fairly radomly to be honest, as the Tornado GR force will shrink, their sqns will go, I can't see 617 being one of them.
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                    • Pondskater
                      Rank Registered User
                      • Sep 2006
                      • 813

                      #11
                      If historic significance is important, 201 (and 202) will be retained
                      "Writing is easy - all you have to do is stare at a blank piece of paper until your forehead bleeds." - Douglas Adams

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                      • spitfireman
                        Recovering
                        • Jun 2005
                        • 2817

                        #12
                        Originally posted by pagen01 View Post
                        BTW does anyone know what the RC-135 will be named in RAF service?

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                        • baloffski
                          Rank 5 Registered User
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 282

                          #13
                          I am hearing Shadow R1 will go to the Army as the asset it 'replaced' was an Army asset used elsewhere. Supposedly, it is could be used as a bit of a barter chip for any future realocation of funds, with the Royal Marines being thrown into the pot as they are a Shadow end user and the Navy wanting to keep some element of fixed wing ops in the short term. All very political!

                          So can we afford to be 1(F)less for ten years? Afford to lose an important BofB plate?
                          It is fine to want to soar with the eagles. However, weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.

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                          • baloffski
                            Rank 5 Registered User
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 282

                            #14
                            I have heard from a reliable source that the following changes are going to be made to RAF Sqn Numberplates:

                            IV(R) Sqn will be re-equipped with Hawk T2 - 19 Sqn to Disband

                            10 Sqn will be the first Voyager Sqn

                            XIII Sqn will re-equip with Reaper

                            14 Sqn will re-equip with Shadow R1

                            42(R), 55(R), 111, 120 and 201 plus a lot of existing Reserve Sqns will disband

                            51 Sqn will be re-equipped with Rivet Joint/ Airseeker

                            70 Sqn will get the A400M

                            Still no definite news on No1 Balloon Company RE although it looks likely they will be the first F35 Sqn. The hole in the wall gang are of course safe until Tornado goes, but that possibly only gives them 6 and a bit years, so what then? Could one possibly become the Reds shadow Sqn?
                            It is fine to want to soar with the eagles. However, weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.

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                            • DaveF68
                              Rank 5 Registered User
                              • Jun 2004
                              • 1790

                              #15
                              Originally posted by baloffski View Post
                              10 Sqn will be the first Voyager Sqn

                              XIII Sqn will re-equip with Reaper

                              51 Sqn will be re-equipped with Rivet Joint/ Airseeker
                              Those have all been confirmed by the MOD - the serial numbers of the RC-135s will have the same digits as the original Nimrods, which add up to 51!!


                              IV(R) Sqn will be re-equipped with Hawk T2 - 19 Sqn to Disband

                              14 Sqn will re-equip with Shadow R1

                              42(R), 55(R), 111, 120 and 201 plus a lot of existing Reserve Sqns will disband

                              70 Sqn will get the A400M
                              Hadn't heard the one about the Shadow component of 5 Sqn being re-assigned to 14 Sqn, but it makes sense - 42, 55, 111, 120 and 201 going is no surprise either.

                              76 Squadron, having only recently (2007) been issued to the Tucano Air Navigation Squadron, has been disbanded again, as the RAF are not training Navigators anymore.

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                              • TonyT
                                Rank 5 Registered User
                                • Oct 2006
                                • 9022

                                #16
                                http://www.pprune.org/military-aircr...-squadron.html

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                                • WB981
                                  Rank 5 Registered User
                                  • May 2007
                                  • 260

                                  #17
                                  Baloffski

                                  I guess you read the same DIN as me!

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                                  • baloffski
                                    Rank 5 Registered User
                                    • Mar 2009
                                    • 282

                                    #18
                                    Not me Guv. (But I know a man that can!)
                                    It is fine to want to soar with the eagles. However, weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.

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                                    • F-111buff26
                                      Rank 5 Registered User
                                      • Sep 2008
                                      • 524

                                      #19
                                      Could the BBMF take on some of the numberplates? Assign one, relavent to each aircraft, with each aircraft 'team' representing a squadron.... might keep some of the numbers alive.... could also rotate them every year.....
                                      Freedom isn't FREE

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                                      • baloffski
                                        Rank 5 Registered User
                                        • Mar 2009
                                        • 282

                                        #20
                                        I have heard a rumour 12 (B) Sqn are to disband early next year to make way for 6 Sqn's arrival at Lossie. Also that in the next 3 years the axe is going to fall much heavier on the Tornado Mud Moving fleet than was originally thought with the distinct possibility that only 2 Sqns and a small OCU will survive, and interestingly that all bets are off with regard to one of the surviving Sqns being the cow drowners.

                                        My view is though that it is a political smoke screen - '617 to disband' will take all the heat out of the fact that the Tonka fleet has been decimated early and then the government look good with' Dambusters saved'
                                        It is fine to want to soar with the eagles. However, weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.

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