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  • charliehunt
    Nearly there!
    • Oct 2012
    • 11459

    #21
    I quite agree about expert witnesses but of course even they are not dealing with facts, only their interpretation of what might happen. Which is why his esteemed predecessor, Mervyn King, who is diametrically opposed to Carney's view, should also be listened to. A pity his remarks were not covered so comprehensively.

    Probably a good idea, particularly as it will be some time before TO's question has an answer!!.
    Charlie

    Keep smiling - it's never as bad as you think!!

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    • DaveF68
      Rank 5 Registered User
      • Jun 2004
      • 1790

      #22
      I'm surprised more isn't made of VAT by the 'Exiters' - national Govts can choose to impose VAT on goods, but once imposed they can't remove it or charge less than 5% without EU approval.

      And 'EU' imvariably means the non-elected Commission rather than the talking shop parliament.

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      • Vampirefan
        Rank 5 Registered User
        • Sep 2011
        • 171

        #23
        In the sector we work in (non-aviation) we cannot do business in the USA as they have protectionist rules preventing anyone other than domestic suppliers from working in this sector of their market. Those restrictions don't exist across Europe, thanks largely to that oh so terrible legislation that the EU so crassly pumps out and imposes on everyone. The fact of the matter is that we can currently transact business anywhere within the EU, and that freedom is essential to success. We do not know what restrictions or conditions may be placed on this ability if we leave the EU, and that uncertainty alone is not good for business even ignoring any final outcome.

        And we are not alone in this. Most employees who are not actively involved in the business development side of their employers business have no reason to understand the full benefits of the UK's EU membership - why should they? However, they are constantly bombarded with the never ending stream of self-serving rubbish peddled by the UK private media and politicians who simply regard the referendum as an effective way of banging their own drum to better their own career without even considering the real world results of their actions. You can bet your bottom dollar that the likes of Boris Johnson, IDS and Gove made sure that an exit wouldn't have any detrimental effect on their personal wealth and circumstances before they decided to push for an "out" vote. But those it would significantly effect, well, they can go to hell on a hand cart, can't they..........

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        • Bruce
          Independent analyst
          • Jan 2000
          • 10223

          #24
          Originally posted by DaveF68 View Post
          I'm surprised more isn't made of VAT by the 'Exiters' - national Govts can choose to impose VAT on goods, but once imposed they can't remove it or charge less than 5% without EU approval.

          And 'EU' imvariably means the non-elected Commission rather than the talking shop parliament.
          What are the chances that there would be removal of VAT on anything post a successful Brexit? Possibly on sanitary protection, but anything else? I rather doubt it.

          There is an assumption that so much will change if Brexit happens. Call me nave - I just cant see it.

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          • charliehunt
            Nearly there!
            • Oct 2012
            • 11459

            #25
            "You can bet your bottom dollar that the likes of Boris Johnson, IDS and Gove made sure that an exit wouldn't have any detrimental effect on their personal wealth and circumstances before they decided to push for an "out" vote. But those it would significantly effect, well, they can go to hell on a hand cart, can't they"

            What an unpleasantly vituperative and totally unsubstantiated comment! Notable that you omitted Kate Hoey and her Labour allies from your comment. As has already been made clear neither they nor anyone else can possibly know what the effect on their "personal wealth" would be. Doesn't it occur to you that they and the few million people represented by the around 45% for leaving actually believe they'd be better out than in for a whole host of reasons few of which will have to do with personal wealth?
            Last edited by charliehunt; 15th March 2016, 15:44.
            Charlie

            Keep smiling - it's never as bad as you think!!

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            • Nige
              Rank 5 Registered User
              • Oct 2003
              • 236

              #26
              What we have now isn't what we aggreed to join.
              We joined the European Economic Community. It was for trading reasones mainly.
              What has now got out of hand is the Franco/German rush to run much of our daily lives from Brussels, with talk of closer 'union'...
              As for trade aggreements, are Europen countries going to make it difficult for us to spend the s and €s we currently do?? I doubt it...

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              • Bruce
                Independent analyst
                • Jan 2000
                • 10223

                #27
                Topic moved to GD, as it has drifted somewhat from its original intention.

                Nige. Spend? - No. Sell? - That's the million dollar question.

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                • John Green
                  Rank 5 Registered User
                  • Mar 2011
                  • 6643

                  #28
                  Avoid the detail; ignore the trivia; eschew the narrow perspective. People quite naturally look at IN/OUT from their particular comfort zone evidenced by some of the comments above.

                  The future after exit is quite bright, we need have no fears. The EU needs the British market - it is too big to ignore. Our trade with the world outside the EU will continue to exceed our trade with the EU. The EU's continuing leftist obsession with red tape and regulation and its industrial impact will gradually cease. Britain will be free to make its own choices - good or bad.

                  And that is my point; freedom. Freedom to choose. Freedom to make our own rules and regulations without the stultifyingly negative influence of the other members of the EU most of whom have an agenda that does not necessarily square with a British agenda.

                  This country is different to the member states of Europe. We have a different history. We are both the prisoner and the beneficiary of being the worlds first and longest serving super power (with a nod to Rome). We can't ignore that fact. England has always led from the front. For forty odd years these proud islands have been subject to the control of an idealistic conglomerate that we now perceive is not working. Europe, because of that misplaced idealism is now in turmoil and there is little idea among those who would control our lives what exactly they can do about it.

                  We're holding our breath watching Mrs. Merkel wriggling like a worm on a pin struggling to find a solution to a problem of her making which threatens to overwhelm what remains of the stability of the EU and all some on this forum can do is to whinge and carp about the possible consequences to their commercial viability should we have the great fortune to leave this benighted enterprise.

                  Raise your glass to the future; raise it to independence !

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                  • TwinOtter23
                    NAM volunteer-Plugmeister
                    • Jan 2006
                    • 7761

                    #29
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